My brother and i went out shooting at the 50 yard range. Being out of Blackhorn, i took an assortment of powder tubes filled with 80gr 3F American Pioneer and 90gr 3f American Pioneer. Also brought along Winchester W209 primers and CCI 209M primers.

My brother took his first 3 shots with his V2 Accura with 90gr APP 3F, 245gr Aerotip Powerbelt and the CCI 209M primers. Group size wasn't good for 50 yards Sooooooo,

Recovered CCI 209M primers,


So after the shots with the CCI 209M primers, i decided to show him how a primer can make a difference. He kept saying Holy Bleep! After each shot so i took that as a good thing.
Fired 3 more shots and as you can see, TOUCHING!!
Winchester W209 primer group,

Recovered Primers,
W209 and CCI 209M primers side by side,


We fired 13 shots total through the rifle trying 90gr APP 3F & 80gr APP 3F with the two different primers, then we went and swabbed the bore out and came out again with 90gr 3F American Pioneer and the W209 primers and this time, My beloved 300gr Thor.
3 shot group @ 50 yards,

Recovered primers,


All the shot primers from today,


One heck of a day playing around and shooting gentleman!

Now before i went out, i obviously knew that if i did not make some adjustments, it WOULD have been filthy due to the shortness of the CCI 209M primers.

I adjusted the firing pin bushing out to take up that space and this is actually adjusted a little to much, but it takes a Firm Snap at closing it up in order for the hammer to pull back.

This picture was taken after we fired 16 shots through the gun with the W209 and CCI 209M primers.


This shows a better view of how much i had to adjust, it needs to be screwed in at least half a turn to get the right fit. Then again, those recovered primers were the cleanest I have EVER seen on any rifle i have.


As for me, i chickened out after 3 shots with my .54cal CVA Mountain Stalker. I shot 80gr 3F American Pioneer, CCI #11 Cap and .015" TC patches lubed with Barricade/A touch of Wonderlube.
I was to excited to shoot any more after that LOL.

Thats some fine shooting there MD

Really a good range report. I think I would be hunting with that Mountain Stalker. Very nice group there.

oh i love that .54 is easily has become a favorite. I think if i draw both deer and bull elk tag next year, i'll use the inline for long range shooting for deer on the lower plains and then up in the mountains i'll take the .54

Wow, my V2 never looks that clean even after cleaning. I am using 777 and Remington Premier STS primers. What am I doing wrong? This is after cleaning:

Short primers backing up and leaving a mess. Pretty typical.

On this V2 i used Gun Shield on the frame and barrel for protection.
http://www.youtube.com/user/frontier.../0/u6klwwA56DE

Back your firing pin bushing out so the slots are pointed up and down VS horizontal.

In order to get that nasty fouling off i always had to use 0000 steel wool soaked in oil. Lightly go at the fouling until its decently clean.

Thanks. Is there a brand of primers that is long enough to start with?

Winchester W209

Man that is valuable information. You are my hero!!! Thank you.

Average Primer Length Chart