Knight disc or Extreme
10-02-2010, 03:58 PM
#1
Spike
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 58
Knight disc or Extreme
What is the difference between a Knight disc and the extreme? Would a extreme conversion kit in a standard disc rifle be the same as the extreme or are there other differences? Which would be the best way to go?
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10-02-2010, 04:36 PM
#2
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 11,703
zeek99
Knight Original DISC, Knight DISC Extreme, Knight DISC Elite, Knight Master Hunter, Knight Master Hunter MHC, Knight Long Range Hunter...
I think that is about the progression if of the Knight DISC line.
The Original DISC is the beginning and normally using an Orange DISC. It also has a different shaped stock than does the next generation Extreme which uses the more current red DISC. The Knight DISC Elite - is basically the same rifle as the Extreme other than it has a special recoil lug - 'cantilever' lug to help float the barrel. It also has a slimmed down barrel and does not have open sites.
It is generally believed that the Elite offers better accuracy - that is not necessarily always true, as a Extreme that has been properly fitted to the stock can be just as accurate.
The conversion kit in a DISC original would make it very near a DISC Extreme. The stock remains the large difference.
Since I prefer the Extreme/Elite stock - I would suggest getting one of those two...
Problem - it is getting harder and harder to find Extreme's and Elite's. Also it might be hard to find the conversion kits...
Knight Original DISC, Knight DISC Extreme, Knight DISC Elite, Knight Master Hunter, Knight Master Hunter MHC, Knight Long Range Hunter...
I think that is about the progression if of the Knight DISC line.
The Original DISC is the beginning and normally using an Orange DISC. It also has a different shaped stock than does the next generation Extreme which uses the more current red DISC. The Knight DISC Elite - is basically the same rifle as the Extreme other than it has a special recoil lug - 'cantilever' lug to help float the barrel. It also has a slimmed down barrel and does not have open sites.
It is generally believed that the Elite offers better accuracy - that is not necessarily always true, as a Extreme that has been properly fitted to the stock can be just as accurate.
Would a extreme conversion kit in a standard disc rifle be the same as the extreme or are there other differences?
Which would be the best way to go?
Problem - it is getting harder and harder to find Extreme's and Elite's. Also it might be hard to find the conversion kits...
10-02-2010, 05:24 PM
#5
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 11,703
10-03-2010, 06:01 PM
#6
Spike
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 2
Would a extreme conversion kit in a standard disc rifle be the same as the extreme or are there other differences?
if your thinking about converting to extreme already, just go with the extreme. i just checked knight's website, they have the conversion kits at $125
12-11-2011, 09:57 AM
#7
Spike
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3
Can anyone help me out here?
I'm want a new stock for my ORIGINAL disc (it uses the orange holders), and although it has been said on this thread that there ARE changes to the stock on the extreme and elite. However, these changes don't rule out the possibility that the stocks will interchange, at least between the original and the extreme (if not on the elite with the different recoil lug), i.e. does not rule out that the relevant inletting is still the same between the original and extreme, such that they can interchange, even if not identical externally.
So are the original and extreme interchangeable? Will the action of one fit in the other and vice versa? I can't find any stocks by themselves for EITHER, but I CAN order either one in a full rifle, and just discard (or try to re-sell) the action/barrel. But since I'm looking for the best price, to get the stock only, I need to know whether I can expand my search to new full rifles beyond merely originals, and add extremes, which more or less doubles my options for trying to get the best price.
No one has for sale a laminated wood RH thumbhole stock for the original disc, do they? Or a full rifle? Or know where I can buy just the stock, or a full rifle with the stock I want? I've looked everywhere it seems. Even freakin Natchez mailed me a catalog showing they had the full rifle, but I get online and it shows the plastic thumbhole stock rifles only, not wood as shown in the clearance catalog.
Is Knight's back in business now or not? I called and called them and could never get a person, so I left a message. They didn't call back, so I emailed them with these questions about trying to buy just a stock - whether they had any. Their response via email? Yep, "call us on the phone and we'll tell you." Oy vey. Well at least they emailed me back, which is more than I can say for a lot of companies - just wish they would have said, yep we can sell you a stock only, or no we cant, so I'd know whether or not its worth it to keep calling a few dozen times to actually get them on the phone to place order. Their website does NOT have a way to order the stock only on the disc extreme, even though it does imply that they would have them (since they sell the whole rifle), and since I've now learned (below - this is an edit) that the extreme will work for my needs!
Any help would be much, much appreciated. I hate plastic, and that's the stock I have now. I've already customized my barrel to a lean and mean 19.5", so I really don't want to pay for a whole rifle if I don't have to, just to get the stock I want, but I certainly will if necessary, albeit shop for the lowest possible price. I don't care what color of laminating, but I want the RH wood thumbhole.
If I *DO* end up having to buy the whole rifle just to get the stock I want, it doesn't matter a great deal what kind of rifle it is, but ceteris paribus, I'ddruther have stainless or nickel over blued, and druther have .45 over .50 or .52.
Thanks again.
Edit: What I mean is, I know they were in business a few months back when I called them, but their website is so static, I can't help but wonder if they're on-again, off-again in figuring out whether they're really a going concern or not.
I'm want a new stock for my ORIGINAL disc (it uses the orange holders), and although it has been said on this thread that there ARE changes to the stock on the extreme and elite. However, these changes don't rule out the possibility that the stocks will interchange, at least between the original and the extreme (if not on the elite with the different recoil lug), i.e. does not rule out that the relevant inletting is still the same between the original and extreme, such that they can interchange, even if not identical externally.
So are the original and extreme interchangeable? Will the action of one fit in the other and vice versa? I can't find any stocks by themselves for EITHER, but I CAN order either one in a full rifle, and just discard (or try to re-sell) the action/barrel. But since I'm looking for the best price, to get the stock only, I need to know whether I can expand my search to new full rifles beyond merely originals, and add extremes, which more or less doubles my options for trying to get the best price.
No one has for sale a laminated wood RH thumbhole stock for the original disc, do they? Or a full rifle? Or know where I can buy just the stock, or a full rifle with the stock I want? I've looked everywhere it seems. Even freakin Natchez mailed me a catalog showing they had the full rifle, but I get online and it shows the plastic thumbhole stock rifles only, not wood as shown in the clearance catalog.
Is Knight's back in business now or not? I called and called them and could never get a person, so I left a message. They didn't call back, so I emailed them with these questions about trying to buy just a stock - whether they had any. Their response via email? Yep, "call us on the phone and we'll tell you." Oy vey. Well at least they emailed me back, which is more than I can say for a lot of companies - just wish they would have said, yep we can sell you a stock only, or no we cant, so I'd know whether or not its worth it to keep calling a few dozen times to actually get them on the phone to place order. Their website does NOT have a way to order the stock only on the disc extreme, even though it does imply that they would have them (since they sell the whole rifle), and since I've now learned (below - this is an edit) that the extreme will work for my needs!
Any help would be much, much appreciated. I hate plastic, and that's the stock I have now. I've already customized my barrel to a lean and mean 19.5", so I really don't want to pay for a whole rifle if I don't have to, just to get the stock I want, but I certainly will if necessary, albeit shop for the lowest possible price. I don't care what color of laminating, but I want the RH wood thumbhole.
If I *DO* end up having to buy the whole rifle just to get the stock I want, it doesn't matter a great deal what kind of rifle it is, but ceteris paribus, I'ddruther have stainless or nickel over blued, and druther have .45 over .50 or .52.
Thanks again.
Edit: What I mean is, I know they were in business a few months back when I called them, but their website is so static, I can't help but wonder if they're on-again, off-again in figuring out whether they're really a going concern or not.
Last edited by Unlicensed Dremel; 12-11-2011 at 10:14 AM.
12-11-2011, 10:04 AM
#8
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 21,193
I have an original disc that is converted. It works great. And yes the barrel is shorter then the Extreme or the Elite. As for the stock, I would not trade off that original disc stock for anything. It fits me. I really like the way I can get behind the rifle on it.
12-11-2011, 10:06 AM
#9
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 11,703
Can anyone help me out here?
I'm want a new stock for my ORIGINAL disc (it uses the orange holders), and although it has been said on this thread that there ARE changes to the stock on the extreme and elite. However, these changes don't rule out the possibility that the stocks will interchange, at least between the original and the extreme (if not on the elite with the different recoil lug), i.e. does not rule out that the relevant inletting is still the same between the original and extreme, such that they can interchange, even if not identical externally.
I'm want a new stock for my ORIGINAL disc (it uses the orange holders), and although it has been said on this thread that there ARE changes to the stock on the extreme and elite. However, these changes don't rule out the possibility that the stocks will interchange, at least between the original and the extreme (if not on the elite with the different recoil lug), i.e. does not rule out that the relevant inletting is still the same between the original and extreme, such that they can interchange, even if not identical externally.
So are the original and extreme interchangeable? Will the action of one fit in the other and vice versa? I can't find any stocks by themselves for EITHER, but I CAN order either one in a full rifle, and just discard the action/barrel. But since I'm looking for the best price, to get the stock only, I need to know whether I can expand my search to new full rifles beyond merely originals, and add extremes, which more or less doubles my options for trying to get the best price.
No one has for sale a laminated wood RH thumbhole stock for the original disc, do they? Or a full rifle?
Is Knight's back in business now or not? I called and called them and could never get a person, so I left a message. They didn't call back, so I emailed them with these questions about trying to buy just a stock - whether they had any. Their response via email? Yep, "call us on the phone and we'll tell you." Oy vey.
No one has for sale a laminated wood RH thumbhole stock for the original disc, do they? Or a full rifle?
Is Knight's back in business now or not? I called and called them and could never get a person, so I left a message. They didn't call back, so I emailed them with these questions about trying to buy just a stock - whether they had any. Their response via email? Yep, "call us on the phone and we'll tell you." Oy vey.
Any help would be much, much appreciated. I hate plastic, and that's the stock I have now. I've already customized my barrel to a lean and mean 19.5", so I really don't want to pay for a whole rifle if I don't have to, just to get the stock I want, but I certainly will if necessary, albeit shop for the lowest possible price. I don't care what color of laminating, but I want the RH wood thumbhole.
If I *DO* end up having to buy the whole rifle just to get the stock I want, it doesn't matter a great deal what kind of rifle it is, but ceteris paribus, I'ddruther have stainless or nickel over blued, and druther have .45 over .50 or .52.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
12-11-2011, 10:08 AM
#10
Spike
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3
Ok, fantastic; thanks sabotleader and cayugad! You guys are all right - I don't care what the other forums say about ya.
Now, next question becomes - where's a smokin deal on complete wood stocked rifles of either variety - extreme or original, if ya know?
Also, so I am to infer your post, cayugad, that the LOP is longer on the extreme than the original? If so, perhaps notsogood, as I am only 5'8" with arms to match, and like short LOPs to work with a lot of winter gear (I'm moving up north soon). IIRC, closer to 13 or 13.5 works better for me for hunting than closer to 14 or more.
Still, I'd rather have a longer LOP wood thumbhole stock than this plastic non-thumbhole. It's good for foul weather, but life is way too short to shoot ugly guns.
EDIT: This is NOT good - the only thumbhole stocks that the Knight's site shows for new rifles are plastic ones and the wood ones are only shown in non-thumbhole/standard - did they quit making them? Ahhhhhhh! Better move quickly to look for used or old stock!!!!!
http://www.knightrifles.com/disc-extreme-muzzleloaders/
And don't get me wrong - I'm keeping the original stock too... doubt it would sell anywhere anyway for more than it would cost me in time to try to sell it. I will say that *as plastic stocks go* on rifles, this black one is might sturdy and nice, relatively speaking - better than most - bordering on the sturdiness of a fiberglass or other compostite - the shape/aesthetics are much better than most as well. This is the best plastic stock I've ever owned, but that's like saying the current mice infestation in my house is the most agreeable I've ever had.
Now, next question becomes - where's a smokin deal on complete wood stocked rifles of either variety - extreme or original, if ya know?
Also, so I am to infer your post, cayugad, that the LOP is longer on the extreme than the original? If so, perhaps notsogood, as I am only 5'8" with arms to match, and like short LOPs to work with a lot of winter gear (I'm moving up north soon). IIRC, closer to 13 or 13.5 works better for me for hunting than closer to 14 or more.
Still, I'd rather have a longer LOP wood thumbhole stock than this plastic non-thumbhole. It's good for foul weather, but life is way too short to shoot ugly guns.
EDIT: This is NOT good - the only thumbhole stocks that the Knight's site shows for new rifles are plastic ones and the wood ones are only shown in non-thumbhole/standard - did they quit making them? Ahhhhhhh! Better move quickly to look for used or old stock!!!!!
http://www.knightrifles.com/disc-extreme-muzzleloaders/
And don't get me wrong - I'm keeping the original stock too... doubt it would sell anywhere anyway for more than it would cost me in time to try to sell it. I will say that *as plastic stocks go* on rifles, this black one is might sturdy and nice, relatively speaking - better than most - bordering on the sturdiness of a fiberglass or other compostite - the shape/aesthetics are much better than most as well. This is the best plastic stock I've ever owned, but that's like saying the current mice infestation in my house is the most agreeable I've ever had.
Last edited by Unlicensed Dremel; 12-11-2011 at 10:34 AM.
