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I have been using the 'original Spin Jag' since it came on the market. I also use HPH-24 sabots that are longer than some of the bullets that I use. The Spin Jag does not touch the sabot. Mr. Gunn specifically designed and tested it for just that possiblitly.

Other jags on the market then and now can do exactly what you are indicating...

Good to know. I was merely relating what the man himself told me face to face only a few days ago.

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You know now that you mention it he told me the same things several years back when I first inquired about the 'spin jag'

I do not think it took him long to correct that problem...

Hi, have fun with your new sport. To mention again a very important safety point with blackpowder and BP subsitutes, do not measure by weight. They are formulated to be measured by volume. To be sure of accuracy, old timers made a drop tube that settled the grains. I merely tap the measure with a dowel, or whatever, and settle it up. Initially I wouldnt worry about spending the $$ for expensive premium. Try the TC Shockwaves. They are a quality round, and my Triumph shoots clover leaf holes with them at 50 yards.
A range rod is much longer also, giving more gripping room. The manufacturer suppliied (usually aluminum) rods are made for occaisional field use...totally adequate for that...but take a beating for much range use. I picked up a CVA t handle that fits my TC rod to carry in my pocket for field use. Remember to get some breech plug grease.
Several times I have been stuck with ram rods and attachments that were stuck together by soot, whatever. Two pair of small pliers in your range bag will be very helpful.
Save a wad of cash over time by cutting up thick old cotton (allways cotton) T shirts for a bazillion patches. Never enough patches. The next most important element: Time. NEVER rush your range time with MLers. They take time to get to their potential, and the reloading routine of course is a very relaxed pace.

That's actually impossible if you have a jag on it. Now the crown is a different story.

So what's this beat up on breechplug day, sabotloaded corrected my quote, now you got to rub it in even more

Also them cheap Aluminum Ram Rods that come with the MLers Bend as you load your ML and the side of the Rod does come in contac with the Rifling and the Crown even with a Jag on it.

FIrst I want to say this is about the best thread on this forum I have seen in along time. Everyone has gave their thoughts and disagreement on anothers without getting personal about things. guys great job,

I agree, to try out the shockwaves. I use them in my triumph mainly because it fits the bdc scope and my guns. When I am on my game it will also clover leave the shots.

I also agree DO NOT RUSH YOUR RANGE TIME. I WILL NO LONGEr take someone with me when I shoot my muzzy. The first time I had to run a friend back into town and then took another one with me. Then had to leave cause he was ready to go. If I had left them all at home I would have had an extra 3 hours all to myself.

I was going to buy a scale to weigh my shots glad I clicked here I thought it was ok with 777. (going to blackhorn when I run out of my 1 pound of 777.) So do you guys settle you powder down tight till it gets to your mark. I noticed it I settle it I end up with like 120 and not 150 or 165 if I settle then shake it up. This is what wanted me to go with a scale.

Nice to know about t shirt things, all my shirts are 100% cotton and a few are ready for rags. Plus I hate most patches I find. they always seem to be to long, short, wide or just like toilet paper

Again great thread and good shooting.

Thanks for all the great input. Just to clarify one point, I know that loads are normally stated in volumetric measure not by weight, and that shooting 100 grains by weight could be disastrous. It seems that most people start out their testing in the 100 grain (by volume) ballpark and adjust it to get the best accuracy. My plan is to do exactly that, but to measure the weight of that volumetric charge and from then on to measure by weight for consistency. A little research (from people like Randy Wakeman) shows that 100 grain volume charge will weigh around 66 grains. I realize that this may be overkill, but it will eliminate one more variable when I am trying to get all this other stuff figured out and dialed in. As one poster said, there is quite a bit of settling that can occur when you measure by volume, so if I can eliminate that possibility of error I may be a little further ahead, Anyway, that was my thinking, which is always a scary thing. I am still brand new to all of this and as I will be learning for a long time.

Can anyone recommend a range rod? I use Dewey rods in my centerfire rifles, I don't know if they make anything for bp.

Thanks again for all the help. I am sure it will be a lot of trial and error along the way, but I think you are helping me get on the right track.

They work on deer too