Several weeks ago I talked to Lehigh Dave about the possibility of producing a sabotless bullet. He had already thought about the process and I guess I just spurred it on a bit. I indicated that I might like a 45 cal sabotless bullet.

We are now in the experimental phase of this project. I recieved in the mail today a box with a group of Copper sabotless bullets and to my surprise a group of Brass sabotless.

I did some weighing and measuring and these are the results... Please remember I am an ameture at working a micrometer so just consider the measurment close.

As you can see the base of the bullets does have a cup and as you move up the bullet you get to what I call the engraving rings. These rings should be engraved by the lands on the bore as you push the bullet down.

The one measurment that I failed to put in the pictures is the mic'ed measurement just above the rings. For me it read 449/50".

They really are awesome looking bullets and I really hope to get some fourther information out as soon as I can. I really wanted to remove a breech plug tonight and push them down, but just have to many other things I am suppose to be doing.... 2 more weeks and I get to go back to semi-retirement and will be able to get back to the more fun stuff...

Those look real interesting. I bet they would shoot good in a White. Keep us posted.

Now that copper bullet looks MIGHTY interesting. I wonder if a 230 grain copper bullet will turn out to be too long to stabilize in my 1:30 twist GM barrel.

Semi

I am thinking it will be OK... I believe it is shorter than the 40/200 because it is full bore and that will also compute into the twist formula in a favorable way.

I really want to give these a shot, both at loading and shooting - just not a lot of time right now.

Should do fine. Our Cabelas Hawken with 1:48 twist shoots the 250gr Thor's excellent with 110gr Pyrodex RS.

There is great potential, I believe they will do well.