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Ballistic Muzzleloading Scopes
I'm in the market for a scope with a ballistic reticle for my TC Triumph. I have a few on my mind...Bushnell DOA 250, Cabelas Powderhorn and the Hi-Lux Muzzleloading Scope. Does anyone have pros or cons about the models mentioned. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help in advance! Good shotting!
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The one that works best for me [on Triumph and Endeavor] is the Nikon Omega, the BDC trajectory was designed for a 250 gr bullet at about 2100 FPS which is a close fit to some of my hunting loads.
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I have a Bushnell DOA-250 on my Accura. Shooting a 250gr Barnes Spitfire T-EZ bullet pushed by 110gr Blackhorn 209 fired by a 616 Fiocchi 209 primer this scope is dead on at 100, 150 and 200 yards every time. Can't ask for better than that. Does not have circles like the Omega, it has a dot on the 150, 200 and 250 yard crosshairs. Much better than those lousy circles for longer ranges.
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Originally Posted by Rogo
(Post 3630822)
I have a Bushnell DOA-250 on my Accura. Shooting a 250gr Barnes Spitfire T-EZ bullet pushed by 110gr Blackhorn 209 fired by a 616 Fiocchi 209 primer this scope is dead on at 100, 150 and 200 yards every time. Can't ask for better than that. Does not have circles like the Omega, it has a dot on the 150, 200 and 250 yard crosshairs. Much better than those lousy circles for longer ranges.
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Rogo
That is a matter of opinion, I have both, and do much better on the 250 yd gong and knockdowns with the circle. |
I did not say the Omega was no good, I mearly stated I don't like the lousy circles. Omega scopes are good scopes no doubt about it. But hitting a gong is one thing and shooting a 1" group is another. I prefer to know I can place the bullet where I want it instead of in the general area. Now some can shoot 1" groups with the Omega but I can't. I stated my opinion only and certainly do not want to start an argument.
Question was asked about opinions on certain scopes and I gave mine. Sorry if I offended you. |
I have a Omega and can shoot less than a 1'' group at 100 yards. But after that it is more like a 3'' group. Its not the gun, but the circles. I normally use the mill dots and have had very good luck with them. I just think those circles are hard to figure out. Yea a 3'' is a kill shot, but I like the tight groups. Stay away from the Cabelas Scope. I went through three of them on my old Encore. They're garbage and anyways if you look for an extra hunderd you can pick up a Nikon or a Bushnell. Other thing is that most inlines shot comparable to a 45-70. So you could buy a scope for that caliber. I have a cabelas 45-70 lever action scope for my .450 marlin and that thing is deadly. That scope is only 100 bucks
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I have a few of those scopes. I have the Leupold, Nikon, and Burris designs.
I have a Leupold 4.5X14 on my Knight LRH. It has the B&C reticle. And it works very effectively. I would highly recommend this reticle. I have the Burris Ballistic-Plex reticle, and I would rate it second. Not as good as the Leupold, but definitely better than the Nikon. Then I have a Nikon Monarch with the silly circles. The scope quality is OK. But their circles system sucks(IMO). It is extremely cluttered. I put the scope on a 22 LR and only use the crosshair. If I had to use the circles system I would get rid of the Nikon and buy another Burris or Leupold. For some reason the Nikon system is popular. But I can not figure out why?? The idea behind the reticle is setting up a precision system for shooting at longer ranges. And the circles just do not allow for that precision. Try the Leupold system. You will like it. Just make sure you spend enough time at the range to know exactly where your rifle is shooting. Tom. |
I bit the bullet today and ordered the Bushnell DOA 250. I'm excited for it! I'll have the opportunity to shoot to 250 yards, but think I will limit myself to 150-200. We'll see how it goes. I need to shoot the thing first. Thanks for the help guys.
P.S. I was almost considering the cabelas scope, but was leary about the reviews. Some seemed happy while others couldn't get the thing to shoot. |
Troutman
One of the things to remember is how long it takes the bullet to get there, I shoot target at long range but limit my self under normal circumstances to 175 yards so the deer does not have time to take a step. |
As an owner of the T/C Triumph I have some experience with specialized scopes.. Mine has the 3X9 Leupold Ultimate Slam with the DOT's system..I can tell you that the DOT's are right on the money with the 250 grain Shockwave and 3 (50) grain pellets.. I've shot it out to 300 yards and could not ask for any better aiming points..they are right on the money...can't speak for or against any of the others but I'd find it hard to believe they could be any better the Ultimate Slam..it's even set up for 3 pellets if you want to tone it done some..amazing..
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Originally Posted by Rogo
(Post 3630940)
I did not say the Omega was no good, I mearly stated I don't like the lousy circles. Omega scopes are good scopes no doubt about it. But hitting a gong is one thing and shooting a 1" group is another. I prefer to know I can place the bullet where I want it instead of in the general area. Now some can shoot 1" groups with the Omega but I can't. I stated my opinion only and certainly do not want to start an argument.
Question was asked about opinions on certain scopes and I gave mine. Sorry if I offended you. |
I have a Nikon Omega on my Endeavor and love it. Very easy to use once you figure out where the circles are going to put the bullet. If you plan to shoot the exact load the reticle was designed for, then that's fine. But if you're like most smoke pole guys, you'll wanna play with different powder charges and bullet weights. If that's the case, it'll take some testing to tell where the marks on the reticle will place the shot.
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I used to shoot bench competition and one of the things that some people don't notice is if you can see the target you get the best group at long range. I guess it has to do with how you use it and what you like.
And if he can shoot a one inch group he has me beat, I have to work hard to keep a 4 inch group at 250. |
To begin with I never stated I could shoot a 1" group at 250 yards. After re-reading my post I can see where you might get that idea and I apologize for that. I meant a 1" group at 100 yards which I could not do with my Omega scope due to the circles. At my age the circles are not acceptable to me. A crosshair with a dot is preferred and that is why I got rid of the Omega and went with the Bushnell DOA. I can however shoot a 1" or less at 100 yards and 1 1/2 inch or less at 200 yards with my rifle and load that I have worked up for it. Took some time to get there but that's how it works for me. I have never shot at 250 yards with my ML and do not intend too, even for fun.
As far as bench shooting is concerned, I also have done a lot of competition shooting in my younger years out to 500 yards with a centerfire rifle. I have a few small trophies around the house from that. Nothing too brag about but I am happy with them. Now SW instead of being so sarcastic about it you could have politely asked "How do you shoot 1" groups at 250 yards with a muzzleloader?". Then I could have explained my error and kept the peace. But no, as usual on a forum you get some "experts" that are as rude as can be and ruin any normal discussion. Lee, I hope you understand my explanation and accept my apologies. |
Originally Posted by Rogo
(Post 3631564)
To begin with I never stated I could shoot a 1" group at 250 yards. After re-reading my post I can see where you might get that idea and I apologize for that. I meant a 1" group at 100 yards which I could not do with my Omega scope due to the circles. At my age the circles are not acceptable to me. A crosshair with a dot is preferred and that is why I got rid of the Omega and went with the Bushnell DOA. I can however shoot a 1" or less at 100 yards and 1 1/2 inch or less at 200 yards with my rifle and load that I have worked up for it. Took some time to get there but that's how it works for me. I have never shot at 250 yards with my ML and do not intend too, even for fun.
As far as bench shooting is concerned, I also have done a lot of competition shooting in my younger years out to 500 yards with a centerfire rifle. I have a few small trophies around the house from that. Nothing too brag about but I am happy with them. Now SW instead of being so sarcastic about it you could have politely asked "How do you shoot 1" groups at 250 yards with a muzzleloader?". Then I could have explained my error and kept the peace. But no, as usual on a forum you get some "experts" that are as rude as can be and ruin any normal discussion. Lee, I hope you understand my explanation and accept my apologies. But as for your Omega experience... You're not suppose to use the circles at 100 yards. That may have been where you went wrong with that scope. You're suppose to use the crosshairs above the circles. |
And a 1 inch group is the minimum acceptable for a lot of us in this group but .5 is special and under that is terrific.
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My vote goes to the Burris Fullfield II with the ballistic plex. I think it is the best $200 scope you can buy. So far have been shooting out to 200 yards with it. Gonna get another one but with LRS as I do alot of low light shooting. Only problem is that price jumps up quite a bit. SWFA has then for $339.
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