I have three or four of them on rifles and have never experienced a single problem with them. Just to punish them (and me) I put one on my White Rifle and was shooting 460 grain conicals with 90 grains of Triple Seven 2f powder. Lets just say if a cheap scope was going to fail, that should have sent it on its way. The scope preformed flawless.

The glass is good, the cross hairs I really don't care for, but can live with it. My understanding is they are made for shotguns and muzzleloaders. The ProDiamond reticle identifies a turkey's vital zone at 40 yards and a deer's vital zone at 75 yards. Still, their parallax setting is set at 50 yards. Makes a perfect scope for where I hunt. Also they are easy to focus.

Semisane got me started on these things. He was talking one up and so I bought one just to destroy it. Well I am still shooting that scope. I have been so impressed I put them on other rifles and keep a spare one around should a rifle need a fast scope change.

Now don't get me wrong. Some of my rifles have Bushnell 3200, Nikon Omega, Nikon Pro Sports, Bushnell Dusk to Dawns, so I do shoot some high end scopes, but these Simmons are a cheap easy scope and fun to have on a rifle at my range.

Here's one person's answer to that question Builder. I have them on my three Renegades and don't have quick release rings on them. When I clean the guns I remove the nipple, dunk the breech end in a bucket of water and pump the bore. The scope is submerged from the rear end right up to the base of the adjustment turrets. Haven't had one leak or fog yet (and my rear lens is always clean ).

My favorite thing about them is their compact size and simplicity. And 4X is all you need for hunting out to 200 yards.

That's the answer i was looking for Semi.i will be ordering one soon,since they are so reasonably priced.thanks...

They are really good scopes. Have had several of them on my muzzleloaders. One presently resides on my rifled barrel hog killer shotgun and there is an extra new one on hand.

Nice Dave - That load should work well for you. I'd also be interested in how Idahoron's lead bullets shoot.
My 45cal GM LRH likes 80 gr of Pyro P and 200 gr .40 cal XTPs with Harvester light blue easy load sabots.

Yes, mine likes the 200 grain XTP's also but I hate to shoot them all off. Those things are getting almost impossible to find. I have my name on a list at some of the stores for when they come in. Those and the 300 grain .430 XTP's. Good thing I bought five boxes of them when I found them.

cayuga;third generation shooters supply has the 200g xtp's in stock,semi gave me the heads up on that......karl

Interesting point there Bronko. It's a great example of how barrels of the same manufacture can produce different results. Last year you told me to try Pyro P in my gun and I did (though maybe I used too hot a load). I shot 95 grains at 100 yards with the smooth blue Harvester sabots and got this.



Notice the velocity readings - pretty hot. A few months later I tried 80 grains of T7 FFG and got this with about the same velocities.



I just checked my records and find I've never chronographed my hunting load of 85 grains GOEX FFFg. But it's certainly slower than either of those loadings - probably around 1650 fps. That load hangs in at around an inch and a half at 100 yards.

Nice shooting and thanks for the advice on the Simmons 4 power.

isn't that a beautiful rifle..