Remington Genesis
 

I have still been tossing around the idea of getting an inline to use for rifle hunting during rifle season. I was looking at one of my magazines and found some Remington Genesis muzzleloaders on closeout sale. I can get a camo and stainless on sale for $250 normally $399. I can also get just a camo with the blue barrel for $199 normally $349.

Would be a good idea to buy a Genesis? Would it be a good gun? I heard they discontinued them.


Thanks


Kirk

check out the new cva optima at cabelas. only $250 for black stock/ stainless barrel and the QR breech plug. Its a better deal than the remington.

I like my remington genesis as do two of my friends, however, since they are now discontinued, I think I would spend my 250.00 + on something that is current. Just for parts/warranty reasons.

I also have a Genesis and have no complaints with it at all. Tradition Yukon parts fit them. Mine is a stainless steel with black stock. It has a scope on it, and is a great shooter. There are other rifles out there to consider as well. You might want to look into the new T/C Impact and be the first to try that out and report back to us. Its under $300.00

Well, I have mixed feelings on this. I have one I got at Cabela's on sale little over a year ago. It's the camo stock and blued barrel. I wish I had gotten the stainless barrel but the only one they still had in stainless was the one with the thumb hole stock which I didn't want. I paid right around $100 after coupons and rebates. I think for $100 it was a pretty good purchase. However, I'm not sure that I would pay much more than that. I think for the price you listed I'd probably buy something else.

When I first got mine I was a little disapointed. I hardly used it and it rode in the truck with me probably 3 or 4 times. It was barely used and not at all abuse. I noticed it had a couple scratches in the bluing already. I don't mean like light scratches I mean deep ones you could see where it had scratched through the bluing. I then noticed there were a few tiny and I mean tiny knicks where the came had chipped off the stock. I had read about the finish especially the bluing coming off very easily but hadn't paid much attention that the reviews of that since it was only $100. I did find it to be pretty cheap though. I ended up just putting it up in house for a while. When time came to hunt with it I went and sighted it in using 295 Grain Powerbelt Hollow Points and 2 50 grain Pyrodex pellets. It shot very well and I really enjoyed shooting it. I end up using it as my hunting gun during muzzle loading season. The last few days of the season I let a friend borrow it as his scope had gone bad on his muzzle loader. I think he really liked it also as he tried to buy it from me and told me how much he liked it. After using it to hunt with my opinion greatly improved of it. It just was a great feeling gun, fit me well, and handled well. It seemed to also shoot very well. My biggest complaint about it for hunting was that the ram rod being a 2 piece one took a while to reload as you had to unscrew it then rescrew it back together. I found that if I took it out and left it assembled in the tree stand it was a lot faster to reload although I never needed to use it again while in the stand. However, that was only a minor complaint and most guns I've seen seem to have 2 piece rods.

Anyway, after for a week during the season I loaded it and never had a chance to shoot it so I just left it loaded for the week. I finally got around to just unloading it about a week later and it seemed like it had some rust in it. Ever since then patches just come out with a little bit of brown on it. I think I got most of it out. Looking down the barrel I can't see any and I got the patches coming out pretty clean. I took it to shoot to see if it still shot well after what appeared to have been some rust in it. It still shot great.

I will say after using it a decent bit during hunting season then letting a friend use it at the end of the season it had a few scratches in the bluing but nothing much and it held up a lot better than I thought it would. Didn't look bad at all after the season.

I also really like the fiber optic open sights. After seeing how well I liked the gun when hunting with it and how well it fit me I wish I had gotten more than one when I got it since they were such a good price.

I actually just shot it some more the other week. I changed to some Federal Fusion bullets and had to adjust the scope as they shot a little differently. It seemed to shoot these even better than the Powerbelts accuracy wise. I really enjoy shooting this rifle.

Overall, I don't think it's the best quality rifle out there especially not the quality of the bluing. However, for $100 I think it's great. Other than the quality of the bluing I really like it. That's the only thing holding it back from being an amazing gun in my opinion. It was also $100 like I said so I can't complain too much.

Overall I'd rate it a 7 or 8 out of 10 I think. I really like it and for $100 I love it but I think once you get in the $250 range or so you could probably find something else that's a little better quality.

The stainless barrel might would fix the problem of having crappy bluing too. I'm not sure how the quality of it is. I think if I got another I'd try the stainless.

Here are the pictures of the chips in the camo I was talking about.


At first I was disappointed since it was so new and hadn't really hardly been used but I think it must have been that something rubbed against it or something as when being used during hunting season it didn't seem to get much worse. If it came off in any other spots I haven't noticed or payed attention.

Here is the target I shot after seeing the brown on the patch that looked like rust. It was at 100 yards. I shot off sandbags on a card table. The card table isn't the steadiest thing in the world but seems to do ok. I shot better groups than this with the Federal Fusion bullets too when I tried those. I'm not sure that I wasn't moving some but I still don't think the groups are bad at all for what it is. I didn't clean it in between these shots either. It had been cleaned so the first shot was on a clean bore and then I shot these 3 one after another without anymore cleaning. I think it shoots pretty decently.

Please don't listen to MD he pushes CVA every chance he gets.
I have the Buckmaster edition of the Genesis and love it.
Fluted barrel....SS.....Camo. It has shoot anything I put down her and with good groups. The FPB's 350g worked real well at 100yds. The only little things were every couple shots i'd wipe down the firing pin area, and the ramrod seems short real short to me. Cleaning it was easy bp comes out with the tool supplied. The price thats up to you. I paid around 200 with the remington rebate from Natchez.

This is the best group my Genesis every shot for me. This was at 63 yards. Also I feel my Genesis is not a fussy rifle. I do not mind the swing open cam breech and there is very little blow back in my rifle.

Cayugad,
Are scopes on muzzleloaders legal for hunting in Wisconsin? Just curious since they are not in Minnesota...so I only shoot open or peep sights. But, I have no complaints on accuracy or quality of my genesis as stated earlier.

Yeah I think I would have really liked the Genesis a lot better had I gotten the stainless barrel. The bluing on the Genesis is my only big thing I don't like. It could have been a lot better job. I'm not crazy about the ram rod either but it's not that bad at the same time.

Overall, it is a good gun or so far anyway, however, I'm just not sure that there aren't guns that are just as good or better out there in the price range he is looking at.

For the $100-150 we were getting them for from Cabelas there wasn't anything better anywhere near that price that I know of.

That's the model I really like. I really like that stock as well as the stainless barrel. Had they had that one instead of the one with the thumb hole stock it's what I would have gotten. You don't want to sell yours do you?

Please do listen to me. The remington is DONE, its cheaply made. Why would you pay $200-250 for a rifle when they were giving them away for $100 just 5-6 months back :confused0024:

Shop smart is all im sayin. If you like the remingtons trigger and their customer service and the price of a no longer in production muzzleloader, Then by all means, Buy away!!!

Kind of how I feel too. I like mine like I said and it shoots good but it does seem cheaply made. Stuff like the crappy bluing. The trigger isn't the best either but it works fine especially for a muzzle loader. That's why I'm saying I'm just not sure that you can't find something better for $250 or so.

MD have you any first hand knowledge of the remingtons?
Ever shot one? Just wondering.....

I got my blued/camo for like $125. Downsides: The triggers are crap; the rough blued finish needs some extra attention to keep it from rusting; the torch cam gets crudded up when shooting and has to be wiped off; the ramrod isn't long enough for decent field cleaning. Upsides: the gun can be made to shoot pretty darn good; it's not too expensive; they break down easily and completely.

For $200, I'd rather up the price a bit and get something else. Mine was definitely worth $125, but the overall quality and function doesn't hold up to my T/C Omega :D

The trigger on mine is excellent, the cam locks up good and snug, there is no blow back, and accuracy wise I have no complaints. Its topped with a Nikon Omega and come warmer weather I want to try to see if I can shoot 200 yards with it. I just checked mine since it has been sitting for a few months, and there is no rust anywhere. And I do not see mine as cheaply made.

As for MD's opinion on Remington Rifles.. well all it is would be his opinion. This is the first Remington muzzleloader I have ever owned. So all I base my opinion on it is from my personal experience shooting and owning it.

Fondled a few at bass pro in denver. The triggers were gritty as heck with a long of travel, rough bluing, Almost like it was one of those blue jobs thats done with the bluing touch up pen. Did shoulder nice though. Thats about it.

XLT and the Yukon are another 2 that never impressed me.

I agree, for $200-$250 i'd go with an omega or an optima over the rem.

Just bein honest is all.

Jaybez - I think its time you quit picking on MD. This guy asked for opinions and MD gave him his. Right or wrong, is no need to take a cheap shot at someone for voicing their opinion.
As for the Genesis - I had one, and I also had a CVA Optima Pro. But being more of a traditional ML shooter, I sold them. Both of them shot very well. But the Genesis did seem 'clunkier' and more cheaply made than the Optima. But then again, Remington didn't make it - Traditions did. If I were to have a pick of either one today, I would take the Optima. I think Cayugad has the idea. Wait to check out the new T/C. Then you will have another option.

Yeah I forgot to mention right around the muzzle of the barrel I just had a little surface rust. Barely any and I'm not sure you can even see it now that I cleaned it but it seemed to be there. I've kept this thing clean and oil so I'm not sure how in the world it did that. The bluing just seems crappy to me.

bronko22000

Totally disagree.... a lot of us get really tired of FG and his predictable posts. It is really just best ignore him and his posts and move on.

+1
Pushing App to boot.

Perhaps how much you plan on useing your new ML may also be a consideration. If you only want an inexpensive ML to extend your season, then you may not want to, or be able to afford a more expensive model. I have a son with a Genisis, and it shoots just as good as my much more expensive models. He payed a little over 100$ on closeout and has served him very well.

Maybe you'd be kissin on my ear if i were pushing Knight and Lehigh products :confused0024:

And you view on TC is no different than my view on cva or APP.

By the way, i just bought the APP to see if it was as bad as You and some others have said it was. I feel cheated that i listened all those years, advised people not to use it because i took others word on it, ONLY to find out.... Hey, that stuff isnt true! It is super clean, accurate and doesnt suck up moisture like i had always heard.

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. There appears to be a few others here pushing items they believe in. So it is up to the individual to read what is presented and make their own choice. It is just simply rude and childish to take shots at people for voicing their own opinion. Afterall, that is what the forum is for - to state your personal opinion and experience whether you agree with it or not.
And MD, you retaliating is not worth the effort. It only adds fuel to the fire.

I really doubt it - never seen SL or Lee "push any products.

Sounds like a APP forum coming in the future:wink:

Nope no APP forum. Although i do have a special section for it. I like the powder. No pushing for those products? HA!

I have owned two Genesis. A blue/black one and a stainless/thumbhole. Both shot/shoot great, were not fussy on what they shot/shoot. Easy cleanup. Good fit and finish on mine. Never had a problem with the blueing as one of the members suggested. Good sights. Absorbs recoil well. Well balanced. Both triggers in mine were/are just fine. Breaks at about 3.5lbs and clean. Has a different feel than other triggers but when you can shoot MOA groups with them they can't be too bad. The only thing I don't like about them is the crappy ramrod. But that's hardly a reason to not buy a gun.

It's up to you if you want to get one. If you like it, get it. Bottom line is that you're the one that's going to be using it and if you like it then it doesn't matter what any of us think about it.

Yeah my trigger isn't at all gritty feeling like the other member said his was. Actually it's not a bad trigger but it's not as nice as some others I've used like the accu triggers on Savages. However, it is pretty decent trigger and as you said when it shoots that good it can't be much wrong with it. The bluing is my only complaint really and I think that could be solved by getting the stainless version. I had read reviews of the bluing being not the best before I got mine but I didn't want the stainless they had because of the thumbhole stock.

I don't mean the bluing just flakes off or anything it just seems to scratch easily and doesn't seem to be the best bluing job in the world.

Bronko no cheap shot hear just wondering why someone would reply to a ? if they have had limited experince with the gun. Customer service was brought up by Remington....never had to send a gun to them so I have no idea how they are. And as far me looking to start something or another angle I might have thats wrong. I could have tried to tell the man go with a Triumph better gun then most out and price coming down everyday.

OK then. But as I previously stated, having experience with both the Genesis and the Optima Pro, I would pick the Optima. I prefer break open type actions for some reason. But that's my personal preference. Maybe its because of these big hands of mine make it easier to access the breech.
I did have a minor problem (cracked front sight fiber optic) with my Genesis. They did not even carry that part and told me I had to call Traditions up to get it.

bronko22000

The Genesis is/was built by Traditions for Remington and in the contract between the two companies service and parts was to be handled by Traditions. I am nt totally certain of this but I also beleive the Genesis was imported under the Remington sub Company - Spartan Gun Works

http://www.impactguns.com/store/spartan.html

might be able to find more information searching Spartan Gun Works...

It is nothing more then a Yukon with a stainless steel barrel and in my case a better trigger. When I talked to Traditions, they told me that any part on that rifle can be replaced by them. I am sure all they will do is send you a Yukon part.

As Dave and Mike said, the Genesis is serviced through Traditions. Having shot and owned both the Yukon and the Genesis I can confirm the quality contest easily goes to the Genesis.-which should, based if nothing else on the price. I can only assume that Remington asked Traditions to do 'a little extra' since they were putting their name on it. I PERSONALLY would not buy another Yukon, but would not hesitate on another Genesis.

I do really like Traditions breech plugs though.

The thing I like about the Genesis is that it is not fussy. If I get one I will probably get stainless.

My friend
Go out and shoulder some rifles,shoot them if you can,talk to others but in the end,every gun mentioned will go BOOM and kill game.
I think now a days we are talking more about fit and finish and small features that make a rifle desireable to you than anything else.
Buy the one YOU LIKE and buy it.
If it were me I would not buy a discontinued rifle but that's me.
Have fun and good luck

Im thinking about trying the new TC now.

Sharp Shooter

That would really be the way to go... The TC would be more of a lifetime gun.