I may sell a muzzleloader- do I have to ship thru FFL?
 

If I sell a muzzleloader via classified, do the same person to person FFL requirements apply? My guess is no since you can buy one from cabelas direct. Thanks for the help.

You need to know your local laws but no, they do not need to go thru an FFL. In VA, I can sell a pistol, centerfire rifle, etc thru the classifieds w/o going thru an FFL, as long as it's within state lines. When you ship across state lines, that's when it becomes an FFL issue.

saltflyz

Depends on the State... I think there are now 5 states that is is a requirement

My P.O. in MS made me ship through a FFL and to a FFL when I shipped a gun to TX last week.

Thanks for the help. I am in VA, so judging by post #2 we are a pretty lax gun law state. I may just try to sell locally.

Muzzleloaders do not fall in the same catagory as modern rifles.You dont need a background check to buy one.If its a privite sale you can ship direct to person.Would check local laws in your state 1st.

If you're in central VA, just list it in the Mid-Virginia Trading Post www.midvatradingpost.com

As far as VA being a lax gun law state, well, we still have plenty of intrusive gun laws on the books that have no business being there.

Here in MS the USPS told me I had to ship a center fire rifle with the bolt removed via a FFL holder to a FFL holder. I just bought a new TC Pro Hunter muzzleloader at my local gun shop the day before Christmas and they did a back ground check on me before they would sell it to me.

SJAdventures

Can you change barrels on the pro-hunter? I actually do not know... If so it qualifies as a Firearm not a ML even if you bought it with a muzzleloader barrel on it.

saltflyz

I can tell you that I send ML's via the post office to almost any state in the continental US without a problem... + UPS will carry them also.

Exactly right about any gun that has a barrel that can be changed to something other than muzzle loader. Is why Cabela's don't include them in their catalogs. Have to go to the store to buy it or a dealer. I also wondered about selling muzzle loaders. I know most guns are shipped ups or Fedex as the post office is real strict about it. Had a glock stolen at a UPS hub and then used in a crime. Sent back as a recal fix. Was a real mess. Always take out the ins. even if it does take forever to get your money back. Wish someone would post the states you can't send a ML to. I know some catalogs state some that are not shipable to.

Your most likely correct in that the TC can change barrels giving it centerfire firearm potential. Never thought of that.

The TC Pro-Hunter is an Encore. Muzzleloader Encores are switch barrel rifles. They are treated like centerfire rifles by the ATF.

Pure muzzleloaders that cannot be made into a shotgun or centerfire rifle with a barrel change are not classified as firearms. You do not have to fill out the paperwork and they can be shipped USPS, or UPS without any special requirements. As mentioned there are a few states that have more strict requirements that also include muzzleloaders. The ones I can think of immediately that I think have special rules are New Jersey and Illinois. Arizona is not one of them. Probably California might be another since they have pretty strict requirements for most guns of any type. By the way taking a real "firearm" apart does not get you out of the requirements. The action or frame that carries the serial number is the item that cannot be shipped without going through a FFL holder. As you might notice a lot of the muzzleloaders do not even have a serial number. It helps when shipping a pure muzzleloader to not specify that it is a gun. If you must specify something make sure to call it a muzzleloader and be sure to emphasize that it is not a "firearm". My USPS does not even ask and I have shipped three in the last couple of years, and received two the same way.