for under 300.00 i'd buy a good ole american made knight disc or elite.....karl

Being that Knight has went out of business, one of those may be hard to find. A couple of the local gun stores had some really good sales to get rid of their remaing Knight stuff.

A consistent observation of mine is that people tend to think it's unethical or unwise to shoot more than 50 yds or so further than they personally are proficient at shooting. Don't you think it's a little biased to extrapolate your skills and comfort zone onto another shooter and judge them with no knowledge of their history or abilities? While I certainly don't advocate people shooting beyond their abilities I don't think it's appropriate to project one's own skill set onto another person and judge them without full knowledge of them.

Let me also point out that some of the responses along these lines came from the East and reference deer while this guy was talking about Colorado elk during rifle season. I won't get long-winded about it but let me say if you have never been elk hunting in mountain country it is simplistic to say "close the distance" or "pass and wait". Closing 250 yds may require 3/4 mile travel and much more time than the elk will hang around. Elk are also migratory herd animals and passing a shot on one herd may mean you passed on the only elk that will use that drainage (much less present a shot) for a week. These aren't deer that hang in the same small home range all season.

The guy wants to give up carrying a gun with a theoretical range of around 800 yds (don't know how much of that he currently uses) to carry a smokepole that maxes at 250 yds during RIFLE season. I say WELCOME!

While I would love to take a ML elk I travel 2000 miles to elk hunt so I have not brought myself to leave the 300WM home yet.

very well said. for me i wo'nt shoot over 150yds with ANY gun at a deer but have friends that can shoot out to 200-250 yds. easy and a nefew that shoots quart size soda bottles consistently at 600 yds. with a 22-250.........karl

Yes I am from the North East, and if you have'nt been here then we aso have a-lot of open land that we can use a rifle to Hunt with in certain areas. Also in most non rifle areas I Hunt there are many Corn and Soybean fields that strech a mile or so long and that much wide so shots at 200-300 yds are there if you want to take them, plus many other areas offer just as long of shots.
I practice, practice, practice at distances of up to 250+ yds with my ML and know if I want I can take them shots at long range and feel good knowing I am capable.
Have I ever Hunted Elk or been to them areas that you need to shoot long range because you cant get closer, no, so I refrase what I said about shooting at long range with a ML.
If you practice those ranges and feel comfortable with long shots then by all means take them. But first consider the wind, animal movement and have a rangefinder so you know for sure what your getting into befor you pull the trigger, you owe that much to the animals we hunt.
Sorry if I offended anyone, my opologise.
(BP)

Hey KB1, a 22-250 might be fine for 20 oz. soda bottles, but it's not enough gun for those big quart size ones. Tell him to get a 7mm or 300 mag.

Regarding the shooting distance thing, I agree with Spaniel. But remember, he's talking about those who are proficient at long range shooting - and that takes a lot of real time shooting on the range. Thinking you can, and wanting to, and having equipment that can do it is not the same as being proficient at it.

There is also the mindset of buying a rifle that claims 200 yard performance, take two pellets and a Powerbelt and go hunting. Sort of creates some natural bias and caution among those that have seen it too often.

I've no idea if he still has any of these left, but it's dern sure worth a try. http://www.openseasongear.com/Whitet...S_p/000031.htm

Some have already received theirs...







Thanks RD! For the use of your pictures.

I worked hard this summer to get range proficient at 175 yds (up from 125) and did it.
Limiting myself to 150 lazer ranged in the field and have a 135, 140 (both does) and a 145 yd, 30 lb coyote. Next summer, I want to take it to 200 - but it won't go to the field with me before a couple 100 shots in various wind conditions are done.

Steve

I would not shoot an animal at a distance beyond my abilities and practice. Remember, im replacing a high power rifle made to shoot over 500yds with one that will shoot half that. I wont shoot more than 300yds with my high power anyways so basically im just changing the style of gun I want to shoot. I love muzzleloading so why not take it to the next level and completely drop high power?

Now lets remember this thread is about what inline I should get for shooting 250yds or so. My dads friend does this same thing with his Omega instead of using his 300 win mag.

100% agree, I try to balance that with turning off a new member who MAY be proficient by passing judgement before we have the whole story.

From his updated post above it seems reasonable what he is looking to do regarding his experience.

Drop is easy....it's judging the wind that separates the men from the boys.