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RE: BlackHorn 209 powder
ORIGINAL: Grouse45 SWThomas, i hate Federal Primers with a capital H. My favorite primer is a standard CCI by far. The reason i use Federals with BH209 is because it's the only primer in all temps that has not failed. When i walk into the woods, it's with stuff that has been tested and proven to work in all conditions. The Reminton STS and the standard CCI (You weren't specific)failed in cold temps in T/C'S and Knights. I did not test the CCI-M this past winter. My findings are based on hundreds of shot's from temps in the range of -14degrees to 70degrees. Please dont assume at other peoples cost. I really don't care much for Federal primers either. They are by far the dirtiest primers I have used. |
RE: BlackHorn 209 powder
I am interested in this primer conversation; I just bought several thousand STS and I check them out for a number of things including a freezer test and grouping at different temperatures. I did not show and problem yet, I am just switching from Win. 209 to STS because the Win. 209 carbons up the breach plug in fewer shots. I hope its not a mistake as I hunt a number of states and some times hunt in below "0" weather. Of course I grew up where it some times got down to 20 below for long periods and I know to strip a gun of all oil and grease in that kind of weather. Lee
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RE: BlackHorn 209 powder
Lee,
The STS was very inconsistent with ignition in the Triumph, and the Omega. It was a little better in the Knight but not much. I spent 5 hours at the range and the warmest was 6 degrees and the coldest was like -14degrees. A CCIM or a Federal is all i would take hunting in very cold conditions. There is no reason not to use the hottest most reliable primer you can buy. They all cost pretty much the same. This was a test done on HP Muzzleloading. Winchester 209ML ........................221 f.p.s. [/align] [/align]Winchester 209 Triple Seven ML.....244 f.p.s. [/align] [/align]Remington 209 Kleanbore ML ........318 f.p.s. [/align] [/align]Std. Winchester No. 209A ..............336 f.p.s. [/align] [/align]Std. Remington No. 209 .................341 f.p.s. [/align] [/align]Cheddite No. 209 ...........................347 f.p.s. [/align] [/align]Federal No. 209A ...........................381 f.p.s. [/align] [/align] |
RE: BlackHorn 209 powder
I have gone through two 10oz containers and I love it. It is pricy though so I am now using it for Hunting only and not paper punching. Dont get fooled by the "No Swabbing" like I did. You will need to swab every 10 or so shots. Also, fouling does build up in the flash hole in the breech plug so you will need to keep the flash hole clear. I just poke a paper clip through the hole to keep it clear, every 10 shots or so. I dont wait for a hang fire before I clean it. Its the 209 primer that fouls the flash hole, not the BH209. If it was more affordable, that is all I would use in my in-line ML. Clean with Hoppes and lightly oil. I shoot 290gr Barnes TMZs. It was mentioned that the BH209 works better with heavier bullets. I was shooting 250gr TMZs but have gone up to the 290gr. I agree, the 290s have more penitration and buck the wind better and, tighter grouping. I like it. Just wish it wasnt so expencive.
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RE: BlackHorn 209 powder
Powerfisher
What brought you to the conclusion that you needed to swab? I have shot for two days in a row to see if if made any differance and it seem to me to load just as well and maintain trhe same level of accuracy. I did clean the carbon out of the breach plug about every 12 shots, Lee |
RE: BlackHorn 209 powder
I am shooting a disc elite and want to try BH209. I understand from some folks that I need a conversion kit and a new breech plug.but havent been able to confirm or find said items. any help?
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RE: BlackHorn 209 powder
ORIGINAL: dead on I am shooting a disc elite and want to try BH209. I understand from some folks that I need a conversion kit and a new breech plug.but havent been able to confirm or find said items. any help? |
RE: BlackHorn 209 powder
Grouse45, I need to go back to the original breech plug and not the domed one, correct?
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RE: BlackHorn 209 powder
ORIGINAL: lemoyne Powerfisher What brought you to the conclusion that you needed to swab? I have shot for two days in a row to see if if made any differance and it seem to me to load just as well and maintain trhe same level of accuracy. I did clean the carbon out of the breach plug about every 12 shots, Lee |
RE: BlackHorn 209 powder
ORIGINAL: Grouse45 ORIGINAL: SWThomas Contrary to what Grouse said, you don't have to use a Federal 209A primer. Yes, they work just fine but so do Remington STS, CCI, and Winchester. He just likes Federal. The Reminton STS and the standard CCI (You weren't specific)failed in cold temps in T/C'S and Knights. I did not test the CCI-M this past winter. My findings are based on hundreds of shot's from temps in the range of -14degrees to 70degrees. Please dont assume at other peoples cost. i'd have to agree on hating federal primers,i stopped buying anything federal makes back in the 80's after there rifle primers cost me 2 of the biggest whitetails i ever seen,2 missfires in 2 different calibers in 2 yrs. and that was with factory ammo. i never saw one of the bucks again,but the other was killed a few days later,13pt,26in spread. |
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