went to an pawn shop today to just looking around.

They had an CVA Bobcat for $70, Tradition sidelock all camo dipped [:'(] for $80. and and knight Revolution for $170.

did not buy any. the camo dipped sidelock made my a little ill.

Corey - be very careful about buying from a pawn shop. Be sure you have a bore light with you. Of course that applies to buying any used ML. Not all but some pawn shop owners will not evaluate the bore and tell you the condition. I only know of one that sells a lot on gunbroker that is pretty good with his descriptions.

normally I buy stuff of MD lol, only muzzleloader I have bought from an pawn shop was my 50cal cva hawkens

I have never bought a muzzleloader from a pawn shop before, but I have bought a few rifles from them. The two shops that I bought from told me that if the guns didnt shoot like I wanted them to, bring them back. They all shot pretty good so I never had to return a gun. I reckon I have been lucky. Im sure that many people just pawn off their problems.

As Bronko mentioned, keep a bore light with you. Another thing that can help in keeping you from getting a bum barrel is to keep arange rod with assorted size jags and a samll bottle of oil. run a lightly oiled patch down the bore. you should be able to feel any rough spots in the bore. If everything feels smooth and normal from muzzel to breach, the barrel is probably ok. This is also a good way to check for "walnuts" caused by shooting a rifle with a short started bullet. That will feel like a slick spot at some point down the bore.