BH209 max charge
03-21-2009 | 06:21 AM
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BH209 max charge
You are all evil 
Since I've already thrown out my "ain't broke don't fix it" stand by trying out the FTX for next season instead of the 200SW I've been shooting since they were introduced, I figured I might as well go all the way.
The bait of higher velocities with equal pressure with BH209 has finally got me to bite, I am going to try some out, despite earlier claims I was not interested and would not be baited. You guys are some good marketers!
So what is considered the max charge in .50cal Omega? I'll probably see how fast and accurate I can push the 200SW, 325 FTX, and 265 FTX to start.
Since I've already thrown out my "ain't broke don't fix it" stand by trying out the FTX for next season instead of the 200SW I've been shooting since they were introduced, I figured I might as well go all the way.
The bait of higher velocities with equal pressure with BH209 has finally got me to bite, I am going to try some out, despite earlier claims I was not interested and would not be baited. You guys are some good marketers!
So what is considered the max charge in .50cal Omega? I'll probably see how fast and accurate I can push the 200SW, 325 FTX, and 265 FTX to start.
03-21-2009 | 06:31 AM
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RE: BH209 max charge
I would go with the manufacturers recommendation. But if I were you, I would start with 100g by volume and work your way upward in 5g increments until accuracy begins to suffer. There's no sense in jumping straight to a magnum load if it's going to shoot like garbage out of your rifle.
03-21-2009 | 06:34 AM
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RE: BH209 max charge
spaniel
Here is what I THINK I know.... TC still does not publish T7 loose loads in their manuals and still maintains 150 grains of BP or Pyro or T7 Pellets - which relates to 122.5 grains of T7. Of course and you already know that the newer Knight Disc series can shoot a 150 grains of loose T7 with some projectiles.
I have shot 120 grains of BH from my Omega. which drives a 300 Grain Gold Dot @ 1950 fps. I have not chrono'ed a 200 grain - wait a minute i think i did last week from a Triumph. Shoot! I did not put the target on Photobucket and i am in Kennewick so I can tell you my results -seems to me it was right @ 2300/2400 but do not hold me to that.
Here is what I THINK I know.... TC still does not publish T7 loose loads in their manuals and still maintains 150 grains of BP or Pyro or T7 Pellets - which relates to 122.5 grains of T7. Of course and you already know that the newer Knight Disc series can shoot a 150 grains of loose T7 with some projectiles.
I have shot 120 grains of BH from my Omega. which drives a 300 Grain Gold Dot @ 1950 fps. I have not chrono'ed a 200 grain - wait a minute i think i did last week from a Triumph. Shoot! I did not put the target on Photobucket and i am in Kennewick so I can tell you my results -seems to me it was right @ 2300/2400 but do not hold me to that.
03-21-2009 | 06:41 AM
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RE: BH209 max charge
I would not go over the recommended 120 grains. Some are going way over, then don't know why their gun blows up. They have the potential of a bomb blowing up in their hands. If you need to go faster than 2000 fps, get a center fire. Muzzle loaders are supposed to befor short range. If we start shooting deer out to 300 yds, pretty soon we won't have a special season.
03-21-2009 | 07:45 AM
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RE: BH209 max charge
I've seen a lot of posts on this site (and other sites) of people with either Knight or TC rifles shooting up to 140 grains BH209. That doesn't necessarily mean it's SAFE, though- so I'd try a load like that at your own risk. I should think 120 grains is perfectly safe, probably a bit more with the Omega. You could call TC and check with them too.
03-21-2009 | 09:24 AM
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RE: BH209 max charge
oldsmellhound
Do you consider it unsafe if you have your own pressure test equipment and stay below the 150 gr of pyrodex level? If so why? I am always willing to learn something new about safty. Lee
Do you consider it unsafe if you have your own pressure test equipment and stay below the 150 gr of pyrodex level? If so why? I am always willing to learn something new about safty. Lee
03-21-2009 | 12:21 PM
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RE: BH209 max charge
spaniel
One thing to point out.... BH is not as effective with the smaller bullets creating that extra velocity as it is with the heavier. The progressive burning nature of the powder provides this unique charactersitic.
A month ago when shooting my Omega with both BH and T7-2f with equal charges of both and shooting a 200 grain XTP - i actually got greater velocity with the T7 than I did with BH - I do not remember the numbers but they are recorded at home. if you would be interested. That difference between T7-2F and BH goes away in a hurry with a 300 grain projectile the BH will create more velocity.
I beleive and i have not tested it to be a fact but if you were shooting like charges of T7-3f and BH and a 200 grain projectile the 3f projectile might be significantly higher.
If you have not seen them here are some numbers that show 3f to produce really close velocities with BH....
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/SpecialReport2.html
If you fight the 'crud ring' then BH is the way to go if your pocket book can handle it.
The bait of higher velocities with equal pressure with BH209 has finally got me to bite, I am going to try some out, despite earlier claims I was not interested and would not be baited. You guys are some good marketers!
A month ago when shooting my Omega with both BH and T7-2f with equal charges of both and shooting a 200 grain XTP - i actually got greater velocity with the T7 than I did with BH - I do not remember the numbers but they are recorded at home. if you would be interested. That difference between T7-2F and BH goes away in a hurry with a 300 grain projectile the BH will create more velocity.
I beleive and i have not tested it to be a fact but if you were shooting like charges of T7-3f and BH and a 200 grain projectile the 3f projectile might be significantly higher.
If you have not seen them here are some numbers that show 3f to produce really close velocities with BH....
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/SpecialReport2.html
If you fight the 'crud ring' then BH is the way to go if your pocket book can handle it.
03-21-2009 | 05:14 PM
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RE: BH209 max charge
ORIGINAL: Lefse
I would not go over the recommended 120 grains. Some are going way over, then don't know why their gun blows up. They have the potential of a bomb blowing up in their hands. If you need to go faster than 2000 fps, get a center fire. Muzzle loaders are supposed to be for short range. If we start shooting deer out to 300 yds, pretty soon we won't have a special season.
I would not go over the recommended 120 grains. Some are going way over, then don't know why their gun blows up. They have the potential of a bomb blowing up in their hands. If you need to go faster than 2000 fps, get a center fire. Muzzle loaders are supposed to be for short range. If we start shooting deer out to 300 yds, pretty soon we won't have a special season.
Point is, you are no one to claim your way is the only way. Nobody comes here to be told what to do.
For some of us, MLing is THE way to hunt....we don't just do it for special seasons.
03-21-2009 | 05:21 PM
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spaniel
One thing to point out.... BH is not as effective with the smaller bullets creating that extra velocity as it is with the heavier. The progressive burning nature of the powder provides this unique charactersitic.
A month ago when shooting my Omega with both BH and T7-2f with equal charges of both and shooting a 200 grain XTP - i actually got greater velocity with the T7 than I did with BH - I do not remember the numbers but they are recorded at home. if you would be interested. That difference between T7-2F and BH goes away in a hurry with a 300 grain projectile the BH will create more velocity.
I beleive and i have not tested it to be a fact but if you were shooting like charges of T7-3f and BH and a 200 grain projectile the 3f projectile might be significantly higher.
If you have not seen them here are some numbers that show 3f to produce really close velocities with BH....
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/SpecialReport2.html
If you fight the 'crud ring' then BH is the way to go if your pocket book can handle it.
spaniel
The bait of higher velocities with equal pressure with BH209 has finally got me to bite, I am going to try some out, despite earlier claims I was not interested and would not be baited. You guys are some good marketers!
A month ago when shooting my Omega with both BH and T7-2f with equal charges of both and shooting a 200 grain XTP - i actually got greater velocity with the T7 than I did with BH - I do not remember the numbers but they are recorded at home. if you would be interested. That difference between T7-2F and BH goes away in a hurry with a 300 grain projectile the BH will create more velocity.
I beleive and i have not tested it to be a fact but if you were shooting like charges of T7-3f and BH and a 200 grain projectile the 3f projectile might be significantly higher.
If you have not seen them here are some numbers that show 3f to produce really close velocities with BH....
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/SpecialReport2.html
If you fight the 'crud ring' then BH is the way to go if your pocket book can handle it.
I'm really looking at it more for the 325gr FTX I've played with. I get 1900fps with 130gr 2F 777. I have not tried 3F with such a heavy bullet, I tried it with the 200SW and actually got slightly LOWER velocities than 2F.
I have no crud ring with 25ACP ignition. The only reason I would stick with BH209 is significantly higher velocity at max charge. If a 300gr Gold Dot only goes 1950 fps, I may not realize that at 120gr.
lemoyne,
Any link to these pressure tests you mention?
Thanks guys.
03-21-2009 | 06:06 PM
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RE: BH209 max charge
No,we are not able to to make them public with out incurring some liability.
There are several of us that do our own testing since the gun and powder companies have taken certain stands because of the laws that allow people to sue and sometimes win with out any real cause thats directly connected to what the suit is about. Lee
There are several of us that do our own testing since the gun and powder companies have taken certain stands because of the laws that allow people to sue and sometimes win with out any real cause thats directly connected to what the suit is about. Lee