Speed Breech.....
 

Well I bought Grouse'sTriumph - said I wouldn't but I did...

Playing around with the Speed Breech today I think I made a discovery on my own... use guys that have been using the speed breech probably already know this but fer us beginners...

On the tip of the breech plug are the metal 'gas seal' rings... Well there are three of them rings with a breeak in each ring... To me they are nthing more than compression rings that you would put on a piston in a car... and how many times I was tolt by my dad "do not line the breaks in the rings up" Well these ring are loose and can be roted around fairly easily. As I looked at my plug to of the rings were lined very wel and the thrid one was just off set a bit. I took a needle tip and re-arranged the split in the rings so that they were amost opposit of each each. This really did/should help any blow back from escaping back up the BP. I also am using a teflon wrap on the BP to help provide lubrication and additional seal if it were needed. I hate grease in the BP barrel threads...



This pic shows the ring gap...



Speed Breech - wrapped - probably not necessary - just extra insurance

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:D:D

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Well Sabot - 2 things. I was looking at the first pic of the breech plug and now I cansafely say you know which end is UP....:D
Secondly, I don't know why you would have bought that rifle, especially with all them Lehigh bullets that were put through it...[:o]

Oh well, I guess you know what you're doing (HA) - so good luck with it.
Actually, I'm sure it was well taken care of and you will be happy with it.

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bronko22000

Naw! he shoots them lehigh's out of his Knights, this were a brand new one still had all the TC storage crap in the barrel..

But, I am going to get some of those Lehigh's to try, along with a bunch of other things. I still end up shooting Spreer's,Noslers, and 200 grain XTP'scan not teach an old dog new tricks, but it will be fun to see how the other half lives...

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Where did you read that? I have never shot a Lehigh bullet out of a Triumph.

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Being a military guy we are taught to do the same thing with the bolt rings on our M16's. I thought the exact same thing when I first saw the Speed Breech XT on my Endeavor. I rotated them also to where they were staggered. It should definitely help with blowback.

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Don't worry Grouse - Sabotloader knows I was just pullin his leg.

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Grouse, is there a reason you have not shot Lehigh bullets out of a Triumph
like the tight barrel or something? I was thinking about trying a few, could you give me the diameter so I can get an idea of what sabot might work?
Lee

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I look at the rings when I clean it to make sure they are not lined up, I have never had to move them, I just wipe it off and put a light coat of synthetic oil on it and have never had any blow back that was noticeable.
Sabot loader did you get that tape into the gun with out any problem? I would have though it would be to tight. Lee

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lemoyne

I clean them with a wire brush trying to get all the old carbon and crud out and when I am rubbing them with the brush I move them all over the place. I am really trying to get the groove clean also.

The plug goes right in without a problem with the tape on. I am pretty sure it tears when the rings are compressed but the tape of the nose just adds to the seal of the gas rings.

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That's interesting I shall try that. Thank You. Lee

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Dont really know why to be honest. I had two that hadnever been shot. Sabotloader got the one, and the other is the one i got from T/C. I hunted with a Triumph most of the year last year. The best sabot with the Lehigh will be the short black harvester in a triumph i bet. I might just shoot it this weekend.

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That's cool :D

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+1 on the short black harvesters.but i can"t understand wrapping the breechplug,I get almost no blow back in my triumph after 30rds.

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kb1

Kinda as I said probably not necessary, but I would really prefer to clean the tape out of the threads than grease...

Plus for me it it is just added insurance. Also it might help keep carbon out of the gas seal rings and protect the "O" ring a bit.

The Triumpgh is the cleanest 209 shooting gun I have ever owned and I can not tell you how happy I am about that.

Lee

It appears for me right now the 24 will be the sabot of choice in the Triumph. It is really tough to get a short black or even a 40/50 blue crush rib down the bore, but the 24, the regular MMP blue, and the Harvester 45/50 black 'crush rib' load very well. The 'crush rib' might even be a bit loose.

I like the 24 because it SEEMS to grip the projectile a bit better than the Harvesters. Bullet grip is important to me especially when I shoot .451 Noslers - if the sabot starts turning and the projectile slips inside and does not turn right away (one of Neutons) laws - I believe that could lead to accuracy problems... Probably just a difference in polymere formuation. Again, probably my imagination working overtime but....

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I also see no need for the tape with the Speed Breech. My Endeavor gets virtually zero blowback. Absolutely none where the primer seats and very, very little in the front. But it can't hurt.

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SWThomas

Yep! - think that is what I said...

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My o ring has a couple of grooves in it, i noticed the other day before the range time.Take it from a guy who now knows.When you see this change it.There was a lotta clean up required last time after the range session.I thought it would be no big deal, wrong. I think this is a great idea and i will use it from now on.By the way sabotloaderwhat did TC ever say about the orings, did you order them?Just wondering how much they are i see they sell 3 packs on e-bay.

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hunting junkie

I talked to aTC techabout the speed breech last week. i asked about the gas seal rings and the "O" ring. The gas seal rings are not available from TC to the consumer - he indicated TC would replace them if the BP were mailed in.

'O' they come in a pack of three for $2.71 and $1.95 shipping...

He indicated the 'O' ring can be damaged as you tighten the ring up against it's seat especially if there is no lubrication. Not a real common thing but a possibility.

The teflon thought is left over from my other BP's. It works for me and is really easy - hope you might get the same results...

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After I soak and clean my Speed Breech I always wipe a little grease on the o-ring.