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Damn Grouse! You sure are slinging Lehigh's stuff hardcore for someone who has no experience taking game with it.....

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That's no secret on any of my post's. I have seen many kills with this bullet. Just not with a Muzzleloader. The only way to see kills is to sell the bullet to people at a fair price.

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That's true. I guess what I'm getting at is that it's hard for people to take your opinions on these bullets as unbiased information when you're constantly peddling their stuff for them.

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No doubt on the pushing issue. But just for fun, I went to the Barnes site and the ML Expanders are $24.60 for 24 of the 195 gr .400" and $18.55 for 15 of the 300 gr .451". That's $1.03 and $1.23 respectfully.
Whereas, the Leighs for the same (or similar) weight are $.83 and $.88 each.
I will admit the price is cheaper so they may be worth a shot (pun intended) if you now shoot the Barnes. Me personally, I'll stick with my XTPs cause they work for me.

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SWThomas,
I can see you are going to be a constant problem. You have posted nothing but negative and non productive opinions on my post's. Why dont you get away from the computer and go shoot them yourself.You are welcome to show up in PA and see how they shoot anytime.

BTW- The best all around ML bullet to date for me is the Parker 275grn BE.

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XTP'S work for everyone. Excellant choice for a Muzzleloader.

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Well my shooting opportunity for deer maxes out at about 175 yards, and most of the time it's 100 yards or less. There are a lot of relatively inexpensive bullets that will kill deer pretty dead at those ranges. For me, the 300 grain Speer Gold Dot does the job with authority.

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Did they get the problem worked out where they can shoot over 200 yards?

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I agree with SWThomas. The forum is a great place to share ,but it seems your posts are more a sales pitch.

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Now guys, before things get hot let us not forget - this is a muzzleloading post. I know that Grouse45 is leaning heavily on Lehigh bullets products. But it appears he has done a lot of paper punching with them and they do appear to be accurate. No harm in tell us all something you believe in. Whether you believe it or not. And now he posted that these bullets were on sale. (I looked the other day and the 50 cals were $56 for 50. Now down to $44). That's a good sale.
On the other hand, if it wasn't for this forum, I myself would probably not have an inline. I am a traditional ML guy and have been for quite a while. But you guys sort of talked me into an inline and now I have a Genesis and I like it. Of course I still like my traditionals better.
I have an open mind and I listen to all and then make my own decisions. Look at the BH209 issue on here. Lots of talk, but I don't see myself running out and getting any in the near future (only one inline - remember). Also, I've never shot saboted bullets up until about 3 years ago. Now only my flinters shoot those big lead bullets. My inline and percussions shoot saboted XTPs and Shock Waves.
So without any more rambling, lets keep an open mind, make your own decisions, and if it bothers you, don't read the posts. That's why there is a title line on them.

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Heh grouse,

Thanks for the heads up on the pricing. I really appreciate the work and expense you have gone through in putting those leigh bullets through their paces. Just wish I could import them suckers into Canada. Will have to stick with the Barnes & SSTs for now I guess.
I'd give them Leighs a try just on your say so as you certainly did not steer me wrong with what I am shooting for a load now.

Ben

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That's the best way. Thanks alot, you made that so easy.

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Thanks Ben, i wouldn't steer anyone wrong. Atleast not intentionally. I really believe these bullets are gonna be the best i ever used. But, i gotta go hunting first to back that up.:)

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I used that bullet in 2007 and shot 8 deer with it with my Savage, it is a good >>>long range<<<<bullet, but it is exactly .450, so getting a tight fit with BH 209 is gonna take some work. I shot them with MMP12s in my Savage. They do fragment on close bone hit, for that reason I went to a Barnes Origonal, this past season 2008 season. They are too hard, they zip right thru on close shots, dead deer no doubt. So next year I am doing Barnes TSX Flatnose 45843, with somewhere around 53g of 4198 instead of the shoulder killing 67g of 4198, bigmoose showed a 53 grain group with the Parker Hydracon that was like yours all touching at 100 yards. I like the Parkers for accuracy, I dislike the supplied sabot, they are one accurate killing bullet. Why Lehigh, if the PBE work so well?
Chap

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To be perfectly honest, i would not know how good the Parker bulletsare if i didn't try them. I shot 15 Or 16 Deer last year. I actually lost count. Seven with Parkers. Three with the soft tip SST'S. One with the T/C Shockwave. Two with 300grn Deadcenter in a FlinLock. I actually dont remember the others. Always searching for something better. I really think the Lehigh will be the ultimate bullet. I already think the current bullet is at 150yds and under. Time will tell that's for sure.

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It it is a 150 yard bullet (the Lehigh), then it has gotta beat a Nosler Partition 300g HG and a Barnes MZ 300g and I don't think they can be beat them under 150 yards. The Lehighs areare more costly, they look like a bigger Barnes Spitfire. Accuracy you got that down in your rifle,but most of us on here can shoot 1.5" groups most of the time, we know the deal on primers,sabots, powders, tight fit, compression of powder, yata yata. So while the Lehigh is an accurate bullet,howdo we know theywill be in business in 5 years? Barnes I know will be in business. Lehigh, andI have no experience.The market is crowdeed, had this happened10 years ago, i would say wow you got something. 2009, just another pretty bullet. Chap

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Chap,
They are not for you. Your sold on big name BS. Most people are, so dont take it personel. I could tell by your JS post. I will continue to play and have fun. If Parker goes out of bussiness i'll find another bullet to shoot. If Hornady goes out of bussiness, i'll find another bullet to shoot. The last thing i gotta worry about is a bullet company going out of bussiness.:)

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Grouse, I was talking about the Lehigh not the PBE. What is the point of going with a Lehighor a Hawk or some other off the wall brand, and not have it available in a year or two. I like the Parkers for Deer. You reach conclusions on personality petty quick Grouse, that is not so good a thing, when personality and judment of people are complex and logical, your basing your conslusions on a sample of size 1. In statistics you have to have a sample of size 30 to make any valid inferences, so to make a judgement on a couple of posts is not wise. In fact the Scriptures confirm this in Proverbs, where it says "in many counselor you make war", translated get a lot of opinions and diversity before you make up your mind on a course of action. Chap

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Chap,
Your knowledge and experience in Muzzleloading is on a level above mine. I have nothing to offer for your superior Barnes bullet company and JS to boot. I want to talk and relate to the guys that get out of bed the same way i do anddont want to argue about every last littledetail. The guy's that like to share information and dont worry about there XTP'S not beingavailable next year to hunt with. If those guys arent here, i will go as fast as i came.Your 3000 plus post's mean nothing to me.Please put me on your ignore list. When i get more experience i will try and talk on your level. Thanks for the short education. Tom

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I just think a ballistic tip and higher BC is a better choice over 200yds. I dont think there's a problem, just better choices right now.Just my opinion.

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Grouse, there are those that do read these posts and may not reply but just take in what has been said. There is always going to be those that do not agree with anything or try and re-invent the wheel no matter how good something is. As far as post go, there are those fokes that have a bunch of time doing nothing and are able to be on the computer and there are those that have few post but for the most part when they do post its interesting to read and just their thoughts. The number of posts don't indicate quality only quanity, don't get frustated there is goodinfo here.
Don

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Grouse - thanks for the info and the heads up.

More info is never a bad thing.

Steve

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i shoot powerbelts and cva's, but i still find grouse' postings about this new bullet to be very interesting and well worth reading. This is a forum community, its here to speak whats on your mind and offer the help and knowledge to others. Miss you over on MM grouse. You speak whats on your mind and you speak the truth, damned if i would ever hold that against you in a bad way.

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He does sound like he's getting a cut on those Lehighs though. :D :D ;)

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Wow! You surprised me with this response. I was reading this thread with some interest, and then it came to this personal attack. I have opinions about bullets too, but not to worry, i won't disagree with you; i don't need to be put down because i am interested in details and facts.

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Tom, I am sorry you have written me off, it was not my intent to piss you off. I do NOT intend to put you on my ignore list, since I have none. Ivalue your opinion, you are the lead on these Lehigh bullets and I am very interested in your results because of accuracy. Imay even give them a try. You did clarify the audience your writing for, the folks that like to share information, which I like to do---www.the-gleasons.com has a lot of MLing info and huntingthat I have learned. So I will refrain from posing direct questions to yousince I believe Iirritate you.
Best Wishes Tom,
Chap

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Well it seems as though everyone is happy now. Just don't get all 'huggy - kissy' now. A little debate is a good thing just as long as it doesn't get personal.
Not any of you guys, but I know I ripped into a guy not long ago. Some of you may remember him. I am not going to mention any names, but maybe he changed his ways and came back under another alias. God bless him and I welcome him if he did.

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ronlaughlin,
What details and facts would you like to know?

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Chap,
Now i see why you have so many post's. You did not piss me off. The thread is titled WHAT A GREAT DEAL. You have chosen to talk about everything but the good deal. You have made comments that you didnt think this bullet could do as well as your Barnes expanders and whatever else. Your making astatement and you never used the bullet. After checking out your web-site i know why now. I have shot Deer with all bullets you listed. I have in the field results with the bullets you listed. After shooting something with Lehigh i will make comparisons on in the field results. One animal will not be sufficient results.

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Underclock,
So much money i'm waiting till friday to get chrono fixed. Didn't a guy on another board have a box to protect a Chrono? LOL

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Man this topic has taken off in the last two days...

Grouse, I'm seriously not trying to be a problem. I respect you and your great posts. They're very informative and very helpful. I'm just asking some questions that seem to be not only on my mind based on some of the other posts in this topic. It may not be the case, but it seems like you've been pushing BH209 and Lehigh Bullets like you're getting paid to do so. It might be different if you just said some good things about their stuff every so often but you've done it with every topic you've posted so far.

Sorry for any irritation I've caused you but it just looks obvious to me that you have an agenda.

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SWThomas,
Okay fine, if i was getting paid what's the difference? I'm not, but if i was, whatwould make a difference? That changes NOTHING that i've done.

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No, it wouldn't change the results of your tests but it would make people question your motives on saying how great these bullets are. And I'm not too sure the owner of this site appreciates someone advertising without getting a cut of the action...

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Not to say anything bad about the Lehighs cause I know nothing about them but until I see any reports on them actually taking game I will stick with my Barnes Expander MZ's. Cabelas has thier 250gr Expanders on sale in the bargin bin for $12.88 for 18(sold out at the moment)I know how they preform.

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People claiming you get paid by so and so gets old after a while. I'd love it if powerbelt sent me bullets and paid me :D I'd have a lot more money to play with.

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I was told by the senior fellows on this board, that this is "campfire" talk, and that threads started on one topic can evolve into another and friends sitting around the campfire will talk about a given subject, but then someone else interject another thought that takes them off subject of the origonal thread. If you notice, that happens alot, and there is no offense taken by anyone 'cause we are all friends sitting around the campfire talking about MLing. So that is the 'culture you joined. Glad I did not piss you off, we are all just talkin' around the campfire.
Chap

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Well said Chap, and that's why I enjoy this board more than any other I've found. A bunch of mellow fellows who enjoy a bull session loosely framed around muzzle loaders.

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Maybe you should ask him. I think your probably right now that you mention it.