RE: Montana X-treme Bison
 

http://www.montanaxtreme.com/products/bore_conditioner.php

they sell other bore products but this is the only one I tried.

RE: Montana X-treme Bison
 

Great report Dave. Nice shootin to..........15 degrees is warm compared to the weather we've had here in Northern Indiana. Was -18 friday morning with a -39 windchill........gonna be a long winter!

RE: Montana X-treme Bison
 

http://www.lockstock.com/ has the Montana X-treme products.

RE: Montana X-treme Bison
 

Hi Dave, nice report. I have never used anything but TC Bore Butter in all My ML's. I noticed in some of the forums thay they say some bore conditioners will throw a shot now and then. If it has happened to me, Im not sure, as the shot a little off now and thenI figured was menot being on target where I should have been. Not that I have ever had a shot inches away from the others, mabey only 2" at most. Is this the cause of the BoreButter? And also what is the ( crud-ring )and what causes it?I sight in and it only usually takes at most 8-10 shots and Im where I want to be. Then I go Hunting, and after I shoot a Deer I clean the barrel, then swab it with BoreButter, then run a dry patch through it, reload and Im ready again. When Im done cleaning the barrel I dont notice any fouling, crudring or anything but a very clean barrel, am I missing something? All of My ML's barrels look new if not better when I got them. I spend at least 2 hours to clean My ML after shooting, not just the barrel but each and every part of the ML. So what are the advantages and disadvantages of Bore Conditioners? and from your POV what are the good one's and why and what are the bad one's? And when and when not should you use them. Just picking your guy's knowledge. Ron

RE: Montana X-treme Bison
 

I am going to be real honest.. I started using this Montana X-treme Bore Conditioner because others said it "seemed" like it was smoothing out a barrel and helping with fowling. I really know very little about the product. I am only going by what I heard.

I did email Montana X-treme and ask them some questions but they have not answered me. I really wish I had more answers for some of you. So far all I can say is, the stuff seems to protect the rifle, it does make a mirror like finish in the barrel, and fowling is not bad in the rifles treated.

Sabotloader and I are testing this stuff in some rifles to see if it makes a difference in fowling and how well it makes clean up and protects the bore. So far, I am real happy with the stuff. Prior to this treatment, the Bison always threw the first shot a couple inches. Now I do not see that. So I am not going to endorse this to anyone just yet. I still have a lot of testing to do, and to gather more information myself about this.

RE: Montana X-treme Bison
 

Thank's Dave, and the rest, keep us all imformed of your results. Ron

RE: Montana X-treme Bison
 

Thanks for the report cayugad (and you as well Sabotloader) I'm interested in maybe getting my hands on some of that stuff. Keep us informed of what you find. Thanks as always

RE: Montana X-treme Bison
 

The white that Roger Raglin use to shoot was the G-series Whitetail. I bought one several years ago. Dave do you shoot a dummy load threw yours before you actually load it. I do mine because that's what they recommended? They say that if you load it without doing that there is a chance that the bullet could shift forward.

RE: Montana X-treme Bison
 

I used to shoot on a fowled bore. It was the one way I could get all shot consistency. But this Montana X-treme seems to be solving that. We will see with further testing.

Also the .504 I load, while they are slip fit, they are snug. I do not think they will slip. Buta habit I got into many years ago hunting... I stop every so often and actually check the load for shifting. I've never had a White move one yet, except the time I had some conicals that were so loose they just fell down the bore almost. I was able to shake them off the load.

RE: Montana X-treme Bison
 

Thanks, I might have to order some of that Montana X-treme. Where do you get yours from?