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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
ORIGINAL: sproulman i like pictures of bullets and how they shoot out of different guns.. maybe we could start a topic at top of forum that would stay there for all to see when they want..:eek: i think you guys that do a lot of testing etc need a place for these photos and info . cayugad,chap, sabot others always have pictures and info. would be nice to have that info quick at TOP so it can be obtained. maybe someone can do this, i dont know yet how to put a picture onhere or i would start it. http://dougva.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=Savage&action=display&thre ad=1249 Chap |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
That would be interesting, this is one of the forums that does not have any thing where information can be locked in. Perhaps one of the moderators can step in and tell us if this is possible with the set up here. Lee
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
ORIGINAL: lemoyne That would be interesting, this is one of the forums that does not have any thing where information can be locked in. Perhaps one of the moderators can step in and tell us if this is possible with the set up here. Lee Chap |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman ORIGINAL: lemoyne That would be interesting, this is one of the forums that does not have any thing where information can be locked in. Perhaps one of the moderators can step in and tell us if this is possible with the set up here. Lee Chap we do it over on our hondashadow.net site. we have like OILS,TIRES,SPARK PLUGS,ETC. |
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I don't know the moderator either.
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
I am a huge fan of barnes bullets..... Awesome penetration, weight retention, and expansion....Here's a pic of a spitfire 245 gr. which had passed through a yote i shot from my treestand and i was able to see through a fresh snowfall where it hit and recovered my bullet. It preformed flawlessly and retained 100% of its weight even after hitting the ground!
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
I do wish that we would hear from the moderator on the original subject. I would also be nice if we could have a survey of what people had faith in where bullets are concerned. Rated as in the group that causes the needed results and in a middle group that a few people have problems with and then the group that a lot of people have had problems with. Could also rate them as the most accurate and the best long range. Personally I would rate the all copper the partition and the gold dot in the group with the best terminal results, the SW as the most accurate especially at long range and the PB's as causing the most lost deer[ its not that they wont kill a deer at the proper range for 75 gr and so forth its that people expect to be able to shoot them with any load that's accurate and they will shoot accurate with enough powder to make the detonate. Lee
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
Here are some additional pics of recovered bullets. The Barnes Tipped MZ is on the left (250gr.) I shot a doe @ 100 yds. with it, quartering away shot, retrieved just under the skin on the opposite side of which i had shot her, blew through the shoulder on the entrance side, she had droppedin her tracks. The bullet kept 100% of its weight and weighed in @ 251gr. due to the meat still stuck to the bullet, the polly tip was found in the pool of blood below her.
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Additional pics.
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
Doe which I had taken with the MZ.
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
Heres the weight of the spitfire 245gr. 100% weight retention, bullet was cleaned.
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
ORIGINAL: lemoyne I do wish that we would hear from the moderator on the original subject. I would also be nice if we could have a survey of what people had faith in where bullets are concerned. Rated as in the group that causes the needed results and in a middle group that a few people have problems with and then the group that a lot of people have had problems with. Could also rate them as the most accurate and the best long range. Personally I would rate the all copper the partition and the gold dot in the group with the best terminal results, the SW as the most accurate especially at long range and the PB's as causing the most lost deer[ its not that they wont kill a deer at the proper range for 75 gr and so forth its that people expect to be able to shoot them with any load that's accurate and they will shoot accurate with enough powder to make the detonate. Lee Chap |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
when i tried to send info on this, mods would not except it.
hope they can do it. we have it at our hondashadow forum and its nice if you want to see what is best/worst oils, you just click at top,gives you like 50 pages of people and tests done just on OILS. |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
ORIGINAL: sproulman when i tried to send info on this, mods would not except it. hope they can do it. we have it at our hondashadow forum and its nice if you want to see what is best/worst oils, you just click at top,gives you like 50 pages of people and tests done just on OILS. I have a Web site, and if people will capture the whole thread to PDF when it is done, I can place it on my web site. Of course they (Hunting Net.com) would have to place a link at the top to my site and I am sure that they will not want to do that. I am not a Web developer either, so my site is not pretty, just basic links and pictures with content. I tend to sta with PDF when I want to make things pretty. PrimoPDF will append multiple page threads into a single PDF, see this link for how to do that: http://www.the-gleasons.com/Tips%20for%20Organizing%20Hunting%20Content.pdf Chap Chap |
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I really like the TC 300 XTP Mags with 100 grs of PP. They have worked great for me for years. No trackin thats forsure!
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
I see I am not the only one experiencing this problem with powerbelts. I am sure that had I not had the experience to tell the deer was hit I would've looked on the ground for a bit and thought it was a miss. I have shot probably 4 deer now with Powerbelts that didn't bleed a drop for about 30 yds or so. After that just slight drops and then finally it poors out, but the cavity of the deer is full of blood as well. No pass throughs and found some bullet fragments inside. I shoot 100 grains of T7 with a 245 gr copper series hp.
I think I am going to switch to Barnes or Hornady. Good luck guys!! |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
ORIGINAL: mnprohunter I see I am not the only one experiencing this problem with powerbelts. I am sure that had I not had the experience to tell the deer was hit I would've looked on the ground for a bit and thought it was a miss. I have shot probably 4 deer now with Powerbelts that didn't bleed a drop for about 30 yds or so. After that just slight drops and then finally it poors out, but the cavity of the deer is full of blood as well. No pass throughs and found some bullet fragments inside. I shoot 100 grains of T7 with a 245 gr copper series hp. I think I am going to switch to Barnes or Hornady. Good luck guys!! i like it because i can LOAD DOWN, not up and bullet opens up nice.. hawkins .50 cal flintlock,80 grs 2f. push a powerbelt fast, problems happen. heck, its hollow point bullet not made to go fast. most hollowpoint will do as you say at fast speed,enter one side and blow up. push it slow, you will be fine. |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
with the 245 AT 80gr is max load for it.
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
I agree hole hartidly with the original post about Powerbelts not penetrating through and no good blood trail. I have shot plenty of deer now with Powerbelts and often hunt in the snow where blood is easy to see. If I didn't know the deer's body language and could tell they were hit, I would've assumed I had missed. But that wasn't the case. After about 30 yards or so of tracking along I could finally bump into specks of blood. Then I would finally find a good blood trail! Disappointing for sure. The bullets fragment as well. I shot a spike buck this season through the lungs and found pieces of the bullet when cleaning the deer. Interestingly, they bullet did not pass through at 50 yards behind 100gr of T7 powder either. And the deer ran about 60 yards, which I could see from my stand. So I went to where I shot to see if there was blood. None for about 30 yards as usual! Up by the deer, plenty, in the body cavity...plently....Barnes or Hornady here I come!
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
100gr triple 7 loose with the 245 and a 50 yard shot i KNOW it didnt stay together. You could see what they do with a 90gr pyrodex rs charge and a sand bucket 50 yards away.
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
ORIGINAL: MountainDevil54 100gr triple 7 loose with the 245 and a 50 yard shot i KNOW it didnt stay together. You could see what they do with a 90gr pyrodex rs charge and a sand bucket 50 yards away. use the heaviest one you can or close, like 295/348 in .50 cal. in-lines I WOULD NEVER USE PB,flintlocks at medium speed, ONE GREAT BULLET TO USE.;) NO RECOIL, LESS SMOKE, LESS NOISE,EASY TO LOAD AND VERY ACCURATE AND WILL OPEN UP AT MEDIUM CHARGES. |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
inline,flinter,percussion. it doesnt matter what they are shot out of. The powder charge is what causes the bullet to fly out of the barrel. I do all of my bullet testings, 245-295-270 and 300gr in a cva mountain rifle and the bigger 348+ in a cabelas hawken.
Both the TC Omega and CVA Optima i had, shot the 295,348 and 405 with 80gr Pyrodex RS. I tried 90 and 100gr with the 405's and just about crapped myself. Not my kind of recoil!! Even the 348's hurt with 90gr. Recoil is not a comfortable thing to deal with out in the field. Surprisingly the 275gr .45s can hold a stiffer charge than the 295gr 50cal Powerbelt. |
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FG
 These are the Power Punch Bullets that Doc shows on his web site... Is this the bullet you are talking about? I has a copper tinted gas seal - it was added to clean the barrel as it traveled up the barrel... It is not plastic and it certainly is not an elongated round ball...Here is the web site... http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com/images/whiterifles/white_bullets.htm |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
no these had a baby blue gas check that reminded me of the powerbelt. Ive seen them before at the sportsmans guide in denver but that was 3-4 years ago.
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RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
When using 80 grn or less of powder, I go with a Bullshop or No Excuses conical.
Less then 50 cents each and devastating results from 5 to 150yds plus. For higher charges, if slightly more recoil can be tolerated ( I never notice recoil when shooting in the field at game),I use the Nosler Partitions. Again no limitations ( taken deer from 10yds to 170 and have yet to recover a bullet) and cost the same or probably less then the PB's that seem to require a much narrower set of conditions. JMO Steve |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
ORIGINAL: MountainDevil54 inline,flinter,percussion. it doesnt matter what they are shot out of. The powder charge is what causes the bullet to fly out of the barrel. I do all of my bullet testings, 245-295-270 and 300gr in a cva mountain rifle and the bigger 348+ in a cabelas hawken. Both the TC Omega and CVA Optima i had, shot the 295,348 and 405 with 80gr Pyrodex RS. I tried 90 and 100gr with the 405's and just about crapped myself. Not my kind of recoil!! Even the 348's hurt with 90gr. Recoil is not a comfortable thing to deal with out in the field. Surprisingly the 275gr .45s can hold a stiffer charge than the 295gr 50cal Powerbelt. that is why i like the 295 pb ,i can load it at 70/80 grs in my .50 cal flintlock and it will open nicely on a buck. its great, no recoil, less smoke, less flinching,less noise,easy to load at 5 above with wind blowing and cold fingers,accurate and opens real good on buck under 100 yds which is all i shoot with open sights. |
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yup, less recoil = less flinching in the field.
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I vote for the Barnes Expander TEZ in 250 grain or 300 grain.
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I think Powerbelts can be great when used properly. As it's been said, you have to really watch how fast you push them. For most of the PB line, 80 grains of powder is about max (unless you're shooting a heavier grain Platinum).
My cousin over Christmas told me how he had shot a doe during gun season with a 245 grain PB and 150 grains of Pyrodex at a distance of 20 yards. He said the entrance hole was the size of a football and the bullet had literally expoded inside the ribcage. No pass-thru of course, but it did destroy the heart and drop the deer instantly. I guess he was happy with it - I sure wouldn't be.... what if you had an angled shot or had to shoot through bone??? You'd have a wounded deer that will never be recovered and die slowly. |
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like ROOSTER COGBURN said to TEXAN,too much gun..........
most hollow points will blow up at fast speeds. i would never use PB with hollow point in a IN-LINE at anything over 80 grs as you said.. heaviest one is best also |
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I emailed CVA to inquireon barrel specifications and "tightness." CVA declined to providespecificationsor to rate their barrels. Instead theyrecommendedthat I use the following sabot in my gun. Anyone have any experience with these - Slick-Load™Sabots?
Cabela's has them for$22 at 15 count. Reviewsread well. http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0049036216422a.shtml The one we recommend is the slick load sabot Slick-Load™Sabots AC1563 -.50 cal., 250 Grain AC1564 -.50 cal., 300 Grain 15 Pack $27.95 Horizontal flutes make it the easiest loading sabot and provide a better gas seal while holding the sabot securely in the barrel. [/align]  |
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i cant see paying prices for bullets today.then shipping on it, I WOULD NOT DO IT.
i got 5 pks of 295 powerbellts,20 in pk for 11.99 EA.NOW THEY ARE OVER 20 DOLLARS WITHOUT SHIPPING, NUTS...... buti bought them all 3 yrs ago. i only use them in deer season and only shoot about 3 to make sure my gun is sighted in. i use rb for practice and if prices keep going up,i am going to use rb for deer. but, i figure i got enough powebelts to last me over 20 yrs or more, by then, i will not be hunting anymore. |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
Sure a Power Belt will take a thin skinned deer broadside at medium distance and do a decent job if you don't over load it.
For me that's not the problem, I live in the hills of AR, if opportunity knocks a 400 pound wild boar that has a heavy shield over his ribs and likely an angled shot on top of it or a nice big black bear with heavy fur and a tough hide. I have been charged before and I want some thing I can depend on for a certain amount of penetration if I am forced to take a head on shot. I use Gold Dots and SW and I used to use XTP [and still have several hundred in my bullet cabinet] I think that a person has to take all the possibilities into consideration when they chose what bullet to carry in a muzzle loader. How would you like to have an animal some body else wounded charge at you and have a Power Belt with 75 gr up the spout? Lee |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
ORIGINAL: lemoyne Sure a Power Belt will take a thin skinned deer broadside at medium distance and do a decent job if you don't over load it. For me that's not the problem, I live in the hills of AR, if opportunity knocks a 400 pound wild boar that has a heavy shield over his ribs and likely an angled shot on top of it or a nice big black bear with heavy fur and a tough hide. I have been charged before and I want some thing I can depend on for a certain amount of penetration if I am forced to take a head on shot. I use Gold Dots and SW and I used to use XTP [and still have several hundred in my bullet cabinet] I think that a person has to take all the possibilities into consideration when they chose what bullet to carry in a muzzle loader. How would you like to have an animal some body else wounded charge at you and have a Power Belt with 75 gr up the spout? Lee we only have COUGARS and i am planning on throwing gun in brush when one of those babys come at me, its going be knife ,for sure. jerimaiah sproulman  |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
ORIGINAL: lemoyne Sure a Power Belt will take a thin skinned deer broadside at medium distance and do a decent job if you don't over load it. For me that's not the problem, I live in the hills of AR, if opportunity knocks a 400 pound wild boar that has a heavy shield over his ribs and likely an angled shot on top of it or a nice big black bear with heavy fur and a tough hide. I have been charged before and I want some thing I can depend on for a certain amount of penetration if I am forced to take a head on shot. I use Gold Dots and SW and I used to use XTP [and still have several hundred in my bullet cabinet] I think that a person has to take all the possibilities into consideration when they chose what bullet to carry in a muzzle loader. How would you like to have an animal some body else wounded charge at you and have a Power Belt with 75 gr up the spout? Lee I plan on a buffalo hunt some years down the road and i'll be using a patched round ball. Now if you are worried about a hog chasing you.... . |
RE: Moving away from Powerbelt bullets; Need recommendations
Great point Lemoyne - too many options for me to consider the limitations some popular bullets have.
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