it is the time of year where alot of people are thinking about getting into muzzleloading.

I know when I got into it last year. I wanted something cheap, just in case I did not like it. (up to 5 now) guess I like it.

my list for good starter guns:
CVA Wolf
about an used that are in good shape.
knight wolverine

This gun would be a good starter gun. My first one was just like it.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=120028620

Brand new too.

One man's starter gun is another man's ultimate gun.

A guy that starts with an in-line may find his ultimate ML is a traditional hammer gun, or even a FL.

Once you're in this ML thing, you never know where it will take you. I never wanted an in-line, but bought one when Cabela's was giving away the Genesis. I may get a Savage smokeless some day, and that would be a great starter gun for a CF guy that has some reloading experience.

Have 2 inlines (including a Wolf which I started w/ and still hunt) and then went to a Flintlock. Most fun I have had in a long time of gun hunting.

Just bought my wife a optmia pro this morning at walmart, it has the thumbhole stock. She has has deer hunted with me for about 10 years, but has never ML hunted, says she doesnt like all the smoke. But she wants to try it now. I dieing to give it a try on the bench rest, i've never shot a rifle with the thumbhole stock.

If you need any help with loads just shoot me a PM Greg.

I wonder if those refurb Winchester Apex at Sportsman's Guidewould be a good value? Some of them have SS barrels.

how much are they going for? I'd like to get another apex and x-150. Opened an old book today and found my x-150s last shooting target [&:][&:]

why not buy one tell us

Saving for a CVA Apex.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=420404

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=420403