RE: t/c vs cva
 

You need to consider the history of the two companies when you make a decision.

TC is a manufacturer of firearms. CVA is an importer of firearms. There is a big difference there. TC has better quality control of their products. CVA has to sell what they are shipped from overseas. I once watched CVA sell a St. Louis Hawkenwith a square notch back sight and a round bead front sight. They pretty well have to sell whatis shipped to them.

I sold both products for years. And they both sold well. CVA actualy sold better because of the price point.

I would give the service edge to TC. Only because Tim McCormick at TC demanded things be done the right way(I do not know if he is still there or not).

I have watched a lot of people over the years buy MZ's. I have watched a lot of people sell or trade a CVA for a TC. However I have never watched a hunter or shooter sell or trade his TC so he could buy a CVA. That should tell you something right there.

TC is a solid US company that tries to do things right. They make mistakes like every one else. But IMO they really try to do things the right way. CVA is a corporate board of importers who's main goal is to make a profit from importing firearms from wherever they can buy them the cheapest. You decide. Tom.

RE: t/c vs cva
 

My opinion of CVA is much higher than it once was. But in the same class as, much less superior, to TC? NO.

Even a poorly designed, dangerous firearm can be tack-driving accurate (I owned one that was!). But taking in the whole picture....

RE: t/c vs cva
 

Sold my TC Omega and bought a CVA Optima.

As for those sights you mention on the hawken, those were the sights they came with. Coreys hawken had the exact sights when he sent it to me for the restore.

CVA HAS to accept whatever they ship to the US??? WRONG!! Mark Hendricks is in charge of Quality control and the first order of 5000 OPTIMA ELITES, He SENT BACK, because he did not feel the shipment suited his standards.

If i were to buy anew muzzleloader,i'd go with the CVA Accura. Underclocked did a great review on his and has a type up on a few places where you can read and look at the pics.

TC quality control has been slipping over the years. Especially their 3lb trigger advertisements that turn out to to 6+lbs. Their Open sights are another thing.

TC needs Millions of $$$$$$ in TV comercials to move their stuff.

RE: t/c vs cva
 

MD please notice that I prefaced my statements by saying that you need to consider the history of the two companies. I do not doubt you when you say CVA sent 5,000 firearms back. And they should have sent them back. However when you send things back---overseas----it takes a while before you get something back to sell. And sometihng to sell will always be aconsideration to a salesman. Believe me on that one.

And I knowthe sights that came on theSt. LouisHawken came that way. The point I was trying to make was the"Same St. Louis Hawken" from the year before did not have those type of sights. And the followingyears model did not have those sights. I worked for Charles Daly when those sight were on the rifles. CVA told us they bought them cheaper, so we got a better price also. The decision was strictly a profit making decision. Nothing to do with which sight was better.

I do not doubt you when you say the CVA quality is better today than what is was before. However I equate CVA and Taurus in the same league. Once you get a bad tast in your mouth it is hard to get rid of that taste. Tom.

RE: t/c vs cva
 

If I buy another rifle [:-] ...

it will be a CVA Apex (not a Winchester Apex). The Accura is an excellent rifle and I fully expect the new Apex to be a step up. I am not at all a fan of older CVAs with soft extruded barrels andrinky-dink workmanship,but CVA is stepping up to the plate to produce some rifles that are as good as it gets in the inline world.

People have been givingCVA some grief about not upgrading the low end. That doesn't make a wholeheap of sense to me.You want better rifles, you pay for better rifles. You want junk, there's plenty of it out there.USA made quality is not only increasingly rare - it's derned expensive. TC has run amuck with prices, perhaps understandably (it takes a lot of money to sponsor all those shows and pay for all the advertisement ) but 8 or 9 hundred bucks for a rifle that badly needs a trigger job right out of the box is ridiculous.Knight has tried to re-invent the wheel too many times lately and I think they are suffering for it. If you can afford $400 for a rifle, the Accura is the best you'll get at that price point (IMHO).

Some of you should take a closer look.

RE: t/c vs cva
 

AMEN

RE: t/c vs cva
 

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You need to consider the history of the two companies when you make a decision.

TC is a manufacturer of firearms. CVA is an importer of firearms. There is a big difference there. TC has better quality control of their products. CVA has to sell what they are shipped from overseas. I once watched CVA sell a St. Louis Hawkenwith a square notch back sight and a round bead front sight. They pretty well have to sell whatis shipped to them.

I sold both products for years. And they both sold well. CVA actualy sold better because of the price point.

I would give the service edge to TC. Only because Tim McCormick at TC demanded things be done the right way(I do not know if he is still there or not).

I have watched a lot of people over the years buy MZ's. I have watched a lot of people sell or trade a CVA for a TC. However I have never watched a hunter or shooter sell or trade his TC so he could buy a CVA. That should tell you something right there.

TC is a solid US company that tries to do things right. They make mistakes like every one else. But IMO they really try to do things the right way. CVA is a corporate board of importers who's main goal is to make a profit from importing firearms from wherever they can buy them the cheapest. You decide. Tom.
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well said

RE: t/c vs cva
 

Some may say the "cheap" CVA is just as accurate as the T/C Encore, but I've owned both, and I would have to respectfully disagree. I shot CVA for a number of years, and its a decent ML; however,the T/C ProHunter isone of the finest crafted guns I've ever shouldered.

For me, there's no contest; it's T/Chands down!

RE: t/c vs cva
 

IMO The new CVA Apex is going to corner the market on the break/interchangeable barrel style gun. In a Real Quality way;)

RE: t/c vs cva
 

Try the Accura, you will find what CVA did not have in the past.