I have switched to the barnes bullets and shot a doe with one and it was the best bullet i've used so far we found big chunks of bonein the chest cavity from the shoulder.Yes i did hit that deer because we found blood and a chunk of flesh in the fresh snow and then the blood stoped and a week later a buddy saw it walking around fine but had a chunk of flesh missing.

Are you talking about 2 different bullets here. Your thoughts are "run on" and we can't follow it. Sorry.
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Yes i was the doe were i found bone was the one i shot with the barnes. The other was about the shockwave.

It's hard to learn much from that. It could have been the angle he hit it at only grazed off a chunk. Even assuming the bullet impacted the shoulder blade at a 90 degree angle broadside and fragmented, I can't imagine that deer would be walking around fine. That shoulder would be busted. When they get away, it's really impossible to know what happened.

Shot placement is very important for sure. I will not take a questionable shot so I have had great results with the Shockwaves. Sad to see complaints on here.

I shoot 100-105gr triple7.

Never had one go more then 40 or 50 yards... and most not even that with this combo.... (knock on wood)

I shot my first deer w/ a muzzleloader tonight and also a shockwave 250gr powered by 150 gr of 777. The results were great , shot was slightly quartering to bullet entered top of right shoulder took out both lungs and exited mid ribcage off side at approx 20 yds It appears exit hole is roughy 2-to 2-1/2 times the orig diameter which is the .45 b4 sabot I was quite impressed deer dropped immediately gotta love those results and tracking job was even easier

The deer i shot with the shockwaves was broadside. But earlyer in the season i shot at one and missed but i hit a tree and we found out that the lead was sepparating from the copper jaket when it hit and wasn't providing the knockdown power.

Digging a bullet out of the tree and comparing THAT bullet to what it will do to a deer is like comparing apples and oranges IMO.

Our muzzle loader season opened last Saturday. All my tags were for antlerless deer.

My load was/is 105g BH209 with Winchester primers and 300g SST which i assume is the same thing as a 300g shockwave. My rifle is an Omega, and stays in the pick up, loaded, for hours days or months.

Saturday was warm, and i ended up with two deer. Temperature during the hunt was around 35*. One deer was hit in the chest broadside, and the bullet hit both lungs, clipped the back bone low, and passed through. Of course the deer was immobilized right there and was dead when i arrived after reloading. The second deer was hit in the shoulder; the bullet hit one lung, and made a little dent in the back bone, and stopped. The deer was unable to get up and run, and was dead when i arrived after reloading.

Saturday night the weather changed and i think it was -19* here Sunday morning. I went up in the hills and when i left the truck it was -11*. I walked around for about 1 1/2 hour and it seemed as though my face was freezing so i went back to the truck. I was curious to see if the rifle would fire, so i touched 'er off before i got into the truck. At that time it was-5*. Spent the rest of the day, in the warm cabin, driving around; passed up a couple of deer cuz i was too lazy to deal with dressing them in the bitter cold.

Monday morning was -19*, and i did not feel like hunting, so i stayed home and worked in the shop.

I think Tuesday morning was -14*, but i headed for the hills anyway. Shot a deer broadside through the chest through both lungs, and the bullet passed on through. The deer ran in a straight line for around 100 yd in snow and left a decent blood trail, before it expired. Later in the afternoon it had warmed up to about 20*, and i found deer on a South slope with only patches of snow. Shot one in the chest, and the bullet hit both lungs and passed through. There was little blood to follow, and the deer ran on a contour for 75 yd or so, then went down hill maybe 20 yd, and then abruptly turned up hill and went about 30 yd before it expired. I was unable to find the deer easily, because of the lack of snow and blood, and the zig zag. I nearly gave up hope, and was sad that i couldn't find it, but made one more circle. It took me over an hour to locate the deer doing some painstaking tracking.

This morning it was 2*, and i headed for the hills to hunt. Found a deer in it's bed, and shot it through the chest at an angle; the bullet hit both lungs and passed through. There was a peculiar hole in the diaphragm; perhaps made by a rib fragment, or maybe a bullet fragment. The deer was unable to get up, and expired before i reloaded and got there. I think it was the hole in the diaphragm that kept the deer down, but how would i know for sure. It was like a spring day in the hills, and after i drug the deer to a road, and loaded it, i was amazed at the many many deer i saw from the truck, enjoying the sunshine.

After my experiences, i personally, don't think the sst-shockwave is the best bullet. It seems to be too hard when it should be softer, and too soft when it should be harder. They are inexpensive though, and i have a lot of them. Tomorrow i plan to shoot some Nosler at paper, and will try one on the next deer i get a shot at.

i shot the 300gr sst/shockwave over 100gr of triple 7 2f and i have shot over 15 deer with this combo ranging from 15 yards to approx 150 yards and never had a deer go more than 50 yards from where i shot them most were either drt or dropped within sight all exit wounds were larger than the entrance the internals were shredded.never had bullet stay in deer to recover slug but seems like they all did there job,and since all exited i can only assume none fragmented.the only slug i have is one i fired into a section of 4x4 hardwood post approx 24" long at 50yrds.the slug penetrated approx 12-13"into the post lengthwise bullet didnt seperate or fragment retained approx 90% of its weight