Wanting to play with the Genesis more, I decided to shoot some Graf's & Sons 2f black powder. So I loaded up 120 grains of Graf's and a 300 grain XTP .44 caliber in a green Harvester Crushed Rib sabot. On a clean barrel it shot a little to the the left but not really all that bad. The next three were right in there as a group with the T/C 1X scope. I then shot numerous charges at the center and they all hit about the same, two plus inches high but grouped well. When I tried to sneak them into the center bull, I realized it made it hard because I was always trying to adjust for the hight in hits..

I then decided that no where on my property would I shoot more then 50 yards. So I gave the scope seven clicks down and fired this group..



It was amazing how well that little piece of black tape stuck out for a aiming point. I was trying a load that Sabotloader might agree with.. the Speer Hollow Point in .458 300 grain with an orange MMP sabot. This was on 100 grains of Pyrodex P and the accuracy was more then acceptable.

Over all this seems to be a good shooting rifle. Clean up was easy as usual. I took the firing pin and trigger assembly all apart, but they really did not need cleaning. And there is no blow back to the scope. I have been wrapping the breech plug like sabotloader showed and then a light coat of Slick 50 one grease.

Holy mackerel Andy!!!(you're old enough to remember that one Cayugad ).THAT'S a group. Ain't nothing going to walk away from that load.

That might rate as the best 1x32mm scope50 yard group I have ever shot. Sabotloader always claims them Speer bullets are good. So I might hunt with that load. 100 grains of Pyrodex P should really move that 300 grain. I think that the bullet would do the rest if placed right.

Dave,

Thank you - I did not know that Speer even made this bullet... I am headed north today and actually some .458's are on my shopping list. I was going to get some Hornady's but this one really sounds decent... BC of 204 and SD of 206 - rated as a big game bullet - I would think so! + it is a rifle bullet...Uni Core construction so in essence it is even bonded. DANG! how did I miss this one....

I can deel some recreational shooting coming on even if it is hunting season...

Ya, it looks like it shot real well for you - dats un understatement - now I wanna try...

you hunt with that and you shoot it - it is my prediction --> dead animal

Shoot I hope I can find it in CDL...

I've never shot Pyrodex P. But my records with Pyrodex RS and Pyrodex Select under 300 grain saboted bullets indicates you should be getting something like 1450 fps with that load.

Dave, that Speer groupis some good shooting out of any rifle.

Shootin like that, Dave, you ain't got no excuses!!

Whooo-eeee that's some down right good shooting there Dave. You better not put a post in here that you missed a deer with that rifle.

Sabotloader.. do you think that hard of a bullet would expand on a deer if no bone was hit? I am pretty sure it would get a pass through. And it is really a well made bullet.

It's designed for the 45-70 which operates at velocities very much consistent with ML velocities. I would have no worries about soft tissue expansion.