Help me pick an inline....
 

Well I realized that for the price of an ROA I could get a nice inline muzzleloader and be on my way to putting a nice scope on it. I think I'll do that first;)

I know diddly-squat about muzzleloaders.

I have been looking at the Triumph and like the idea of it's Weatherguard as I live in Oregon (rain) however I am hearing initial doubts on it's effectiveness. The Triumph doesn't appear to be offered with a SS barrel. I also hear that water can pool up where the primer is?

I have also been looking at this one here, and would like to hear some feedback on it. Particularly if I am losing anything worth speaking of going with the shorter 24 inch barrel.

http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/eshop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=R70103501

I'll probably pick one of these up down the road, as it complies with Oregon's strict muzzleloader season regulations. The other gun would be set-up with a scope, and used year around.

http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/eshop/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=R74103150

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Butcher45

Not up to date on Oregons laws but this would be my choise of guns , Knight Disc Extreme Totaly weather proof and It will shoot both Saboted bullets and Conicals with great ACCURacy. I have 2 of the Extremes 1 45cal & 1 50cal and when I shoulder them it feels like I am shouldering a nice High powerd rifle.

Ron

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Oh it's got to be a break-action for sure. No bolts for me. Break actions are much easier on the eyes IMO, and look like they are going 1000 miles an hour just sitting there.

The Pursuit LT West is looking like it should be my first so I can use it for all seasons here in Oregon. The price is right thats for sure, and I bet there is one right down the road from me I can put on lay-away until I come up with the extra scratch to take it home.

Oregon's muzzleloader laws are just about as traditional as they can possibly be.

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I would recommend a Triumph and Black Horn 209, If you want to shoot sabots Shock Waves will work well or any of the good but expensive all copper bullets ,I personally use 250 gr Gold Dots for deer size If you need to use conicals the new Hornady FPBshoots a minute of angle out of mine. A lot depends on what you prefer if you like a light weight very high quality a TC is good Knight is also a very accurate shooter and good quality if you like a heavy rifle you might want a Knight, I used to recommend the Savage for people where smokeless is legal and they want it but BH209 has changed that I don't believe smokeless has enough advantage to make up for the heavy awkward bolt action and short barrel. I realize that these are more expensive than some, but there are some I give lots of room to on the range, some times you get what you pay for muzzle loading is not as well regulated as center fires and some are not proof tested at all and some only to very low standards. Lee

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Well if you want a break action I would agree 100% with Lee go with a TC Triumph I do not own one but have read alot of great reports on them and TC customer service is top notch to boot.

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If you want to spend $350 on an inline, check out the new CVA Accura with camo stock and Stainless steel barrel.

The traditions you are looking at has a nickle barrel, Not SS.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.co...41%20%32%30%39


If you have to have an ignition source exposed to the weather, You're just better off with a traditional sidelock. Or the Winchester X-150. I had one and that sucker was awesome with conicals and the small assortment of sabots i tried.

midsouth doesnt have squat for pictures so heres the accura: www.cva.com

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Butcher, you do realize neither of those Traditions have stainless barrels?

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I second the suggestion for the CVA Accura. It is one of the new CVA rifles with a Bergara barrel. Just a thought; I seem to remember that Oregon did not allow closed breech rifles; did they change the laws??? I could not find my list of state requirements so I had to rely on memory; Bad idea when you are this old.

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“Muzzleloader”

(shotguns may be double barreled)

long gun meant to be fired from the

shoulder and loaded from the muzzle

with an open ignition system and open

or peep sights. This definition applies to

muzzleloader-only seasons and 641B,

644A1, 644A2, 644A3, 644T1, 649B and

652T2 and includes: open ignition in-line

percussion; sidelock, under-hammer,

top-hammer, and mule ear percussion;

sidelock flintlock and wheelock ignition

systems. Matchlock ignition systems are

not allowed.

above is from last year's big game regulations in Oregon. Maybe your memory isn't so bad, Keith?

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I had a pursuit pro and loved it but bought a TC encore just becuase i always wanted one . My Pursuit was a nail driver and i have yet to get my Encore to shoot as tight of groups , almost but not yet . I realy like the wood stock and i also feel the pursuit is one of the best looking muzzleloaders out there . I also uhave 4 other friends shooting the XLT . They have had no problems with them and they are all shooting great and very acurate . They are all using 90 -95 grains pyrodex powder , 300 grain xtp with black sabots and klean bore primers . Can't go wrong with them , but there are a lot of good guns to choose from and i would get the one that feels the best and is in your price range . The only gun we have had that would not get ood groups is my son CVA Optima .

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I don't think you can beat the TC warranty, therefore the Triumph would be the one that I would choose. I have an Omega, and it is a very accurate rifle. I just shot it last weekend with Blackhorn 209 100g and a 300g Barnes MZ and got a 1" group at 100 yards. they are very accurate rfiles and open breech, so it would satisfy the Oregon law.
Chap Gleason

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Omega is not an open breech muzzle loader.

Oregon does have that rule about the exposed breech so the traditions Western would be a good choice for break open, Plus a lot of older Bolt action muzzys and of course traditional sidelock and flintlock.


Omega is "sealed" from the nasty outdoor elements,
Not oregon legal!


Winchester X-150 bolt action. Open and exposed to the elements, It is also capable of using #11, Musket and 209 ignition,


90g pyrodex RS, 385 GP conical, open sights @ 100 yards. #2-3 are touching.

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I thought that the Pursuit has a sealed breech too.
Once the action is closed, it's considered sealed from
the elementsif you can't see the primer.
The Pursuit is a very nice rifle too, but see what
ChuckHawk's says about it being sealed:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/traditions_pursuit.htm

Here'stheexposed breechedPedersoli Brutus & Ovationrifles for
you to consider. Click on the pictures twice to make them larger.

http://www.cherrys.com/ped_inlines.htm

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yes the pursuit/accura/omega/enore/ must i keep going?lol All are closed breech muzzys.

The traditions Western has some material removed so its exposed on the sides to meet laws in certain states such as oregon and i believe washington?

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I didn't realize that the Western had cuts in the breech
since it's not statedin the Traditions write up.

It does state:



If it's legal in Oregon, then buy it!

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Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I am leaning towards getting the Pursuit Western as it is the first break-open inline legal for Oregon and Washington says Joe at The Gun Works. That will extend my hunting opportunities dramatically, and I can throw a scope on it for the regular seasons until I get a second muzzleloader for general use.
I am going to go down to the gunworks soon and check one out.
What is it like cleaning nickel as opposed to stainless steel?

http://www.thegunworks.com/custprodgun.cfm?ProductID=2546&do=detail&C at2Option=yes

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The nickle can stain easily so you do need to watch what kind of solvents you use on it when cleaning.

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My Staghorn Magnumis nickel and after years of cleaning it is not real pretty. Some stains and small dots for some reason. Must be the solvent I use. Now a Staghorn would be legal for you. It is easy to clean. And very accurate. Also I bought mine for $89.00 new. The old technology was not replaced because it did not work well, it was replaced because they had to make a bigger better so the people would open their wallets and buy another rifle. You want a great open breech conical shooter, get a White Rifle. It will throw conicals out there with tremendous accuracy, and is easy to clean as well....

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What Cayugad just said. The make themcuter thanthe old CVA and TC inlines but they don't make them shoot any better. If I were just getting into muzzleloading I would buy a TC Black Diamond and never look back.

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For me accuracy is paramount in my firearms. I have tried dozens of different brands of MZ's over the years, but I keep going back to the Knight rifles. The bottom line is the Knight's just shoot better(IMO). You may not care for the looks of a bolt, but I can get over how ugly my Knight Long Range Hunter is when I shoot it. The accuracy is unbelievable. I consider a 225 yard shot as doable every time. I have practiced alot to be able to do that. But I have no doubt that the KLRH will perform.

I put the Leupold B&C reticle on the rifle, and it works great. It took me all summer(last year) to adjust the scope properly.The rifle shoots so well that off the bench I will bet I can hit a quarter every time at 100 yards. The Knight LRH will "SHOOT". Tom.