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bigtim6656 07-15-2008 07:35 AM
load size in a triumph
 
ok i am buying a tc triumph in sept
a omega bdc scope and the 250 grain shockwave tc sabots due to there easy to load in the triumph

they recommend a 150 grain laod with the 250 grain sabots for the scope for deer
should i just start out there and see what happens
or what
the scope is set for 100 200 225 and 250 for the load so it worrys me that changing the load size will throw all that off

i will be hunting deer with it i do not want to shoot 225 or 250 but if i see a big deer i might

what should i go with

bigtim6656 07-15-2008 07:37 AM
RE: load size in a triumph
 
also this will be my first time using a ml and even shooting one

lemoyne 07-15-2008 07:51 AM
RE: load size in a triumph
 
Well first off not all powders are equal the are talking about the original black powder substitute call Pyrodex in pellet form. The big problem with that system is that very few muzzleloaders will shoot accurate with that load; long range requires accuracyif you can not hit what you shoot at it don't make any differance what you are using. Yhere are other ways to use that system a lot of the people that use it find a load that the gun will shoot accurate and then by trial and error find where [what yardage ] the markers in the scope will shoot.
Lee

bigtim6656 07-15-2008 07:53 AM
RE: load size in a triumph
 
they told me the triumph was made to shoot a 150 grain charge

benamen 07-15-2008 09:05 AM
RE: load size in a triumph
 
Here is a link to another forum where they discuss a load that worked quite well in a Triumph using Blackhorn 209.

http://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=13&topicdays=0&start=75

gleason.chapman 07-15-2008 10:05 AM
RE: load size in a triumph
 
ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

ok i am buying a tc triumph in sept
a omega bdc scope and the 250 grain shockwave tc sabots due to there easy to load in the triumph

they recommend a 150 grain laod with the 250 grain sabots for the scope for deer
should i just start out there and see what happens
or what
the scope is set for 100 200 225 and 250 for the load so it worrys me that changing the load size will throw all that off

i will be hunting deer with it i do not want to shoot 225 or 250 but if i see a big deer i might

what should i go with
Rather than going with a scope like this, maybe you should >>consider<< the "3" over method". What that method is is a way to sight in a rifle so that your shooting thru a conceptual pipe from 0 to Maximum Point Blank Range, which with that bullet is 200 yards. You sight your rifle in 3" high at 100 yards and then just aim dead on out to 200, simple. No guess, no mess, no missing. Your alway in the kill zone with the "3" over method". Compensating makes you guess yardage or use a range finder, which is fine, but for most hunting the 3" over method works fine, especially for MLers.

The Triumph, with 120g of Blackhorn is going to be shooting over 2000 fps, plenty for the 250g SW.

Here is your 250g bullet (BC of .210), sighted in 175 yards, with 2200 MV, you can see you4 3.2 inches high at 100 yards and 2.7 inches low at 200.
Chap Gleason



MLKeith 07-15-2008 10:28 AM
RE: load size in a triumph
 
ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

they told me the triumph was made to shoot a 150 grain charge
That is a maximum load; very few find the maximum loads to be the best for their rifle or hunting conditions. Personally I shoot elk at 100 to150 yards and with 300gr. bullets find about 90gr. of powder to be plenty. I also agree that taking what the scope says and relying on that without a lot of shooting is a good way to miss your deer. Find a load that shoots well in your rifle and then check the ranges if you want to use the range marks on the scope. Or just use the 3" over rule which is also pretty fair for most conditions. Personally I like to know that my rifle is dead on at any of the distances that I plan to shoot and with the extra stress of the hunting condition I can still be in the kill zone even though the accuracy is not like what I get on the bench.

bigtim6656 07-15-2008 11:11 AM
RE: load size in a triumph
 
so what scope would you recommend for the triumph
for 0 to 200 yard shots
again this will be my first time useing a ml
ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman

ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

ok i am buying a tc triumph in sept
a omega bdc scope and the 250 grain shockwave tc sabots due to there easy to load in the triumph

they recommend a 150 grain laod with the 250 grain sabots for the scope for deer
should i just start out there and see what happens
or what
the scope is set for 100 200 225 and 250 for the load so it worrys me that changing the load size will throw all that off

i will be hunting deer with it i do not want to shoot 225 or 250 but if i see a big deer i might

what should i go with
Rather than going with a scope like this, maybe you should >>consider<< the "3" over method". What that method is is a way to sight in a rifle so that your shooting thru a conceptual pipe from 0 to Maximum Point Blank Range, which with that bullet is 200 yards. You sight your rifle in 3" high at 100 yards and then just aim dead on out to 200, simple. No guess, no mess, no missing. Your alway in the kill zone with the "3" over method". Compensating makes you guess yardage or use a range finder, which is fine, but for most hunting the 3" over method works fine, especially for MLers.

The Triumph, with 120g of Blackhorn is going to be shooting over 2000 fps, plenty for the 250g SW.

Here is your 250g bullet (BC of .210), sighted in 175 yards, with 2200 MV, you can see you4 3.2 inches high at 100 yards and 2.7 inches low at 200.
Chap Gleason



arcticap 07-15-2008 12:45 PM
RE: load size in a triumph
 
Bushnell Elite 3200, 3-10X40 short action compact with Rainguard,11.7 inches long,3.7 inches of eye relief, $219 shipped.

Just click on "Add to Cart" to viewthe price:

http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-elite-3-10x40-short-action-riflescope.html

gleason.chapman 07-15-2008 04:09 PM
RE: load size in a triumph
 
ORIGINAL: arcticap

Bushnell Elite 3200, 3-10X40 short action compact with Rainguard,11.7 inches long,3.7 inches of eye relief, $219 shipped.

Just click on "Add to Cart" to viewthe price:

http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-elite-3-10x40-short-action-riflescope.html
Yep, I have two Elite scopes one 40mm and the 50mm, but I have the firefly for low light conditions.
Chap

gleason.chapman 07-15-2008 04:16 PM
RE: load size in a triumph
 
ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

so what scope would you recommend for the triumph
for 0 to 200 yard shots
again this will be my first time useing a ml
I have Bushnell Elite 3200 on my Omega and my Savage, one is 40mm objective, which I feel is better and the other is 50mm objective lens. Both have held up well with Lifetime warranty. Nikon is also good, Burris is also good, although I don't have specific models. See these articles on Chuck Hawks site:

SIGHTS AND SCOPES:[*]How Mil-Dot and Ballistic Reticle Scopes Work (Article by Randy Wakeman)[*]Hunting Scopes for Inline Muzzleloaders (Article by Randy Wakeman)[*]Muzzleloader Scopes: Make Mine a Fixed Power Model! (Opinion by Chuck Hawks)[*]Recommended Muzzleloading Scopes by Price (Opinion by Randy Wakeman)[*]Should Muzzleloaders Be Scoped? (Article by Randy Wakeman)[*]Sightron SI 1x20mm Black Powder Scope (Article by Randy Wakeman)[*]Sights and Scopes for Your Muzzleloader (Article by Randy D. Smith)

Chap Gleason

arcticap 07-15-2008 04:40 PM
RE: load size in a triumph
 


Since I hadnever seenthe Firefly reticle, I looked it up. The 3-9X40 Firefly model is.9 inch longer with .4" less eye relief, and the reticle simply glows.
Itlooks like a nice feature.

It's $199.95 at SWFA.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-957-184-bushnell-3-9x40-elite-3200-rifle-scope.aspx

gleason.chapman 07-15-2008 05:25 PM
RE: load size in a triumph
 
ORIGINAL: arcticap



Since I hadnever seenthe Firefly reticle, I looked it up. The 3-9X40 Firefly model is.9 inch longer with .4" less eye relief, and the reticle simply glows.
Itlooks like a nice feature.

It's $199.95 at SWFA.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-957-184-bushnell-3-9x40-elite-3200-rifle-scope.aspx
Yep. I never knew that .4" less eye relief. That is a lot. I have not really used the Firefly that much, it is just a nice feature. Chap


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