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#2
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location:
Posts: 5,180
RE: Primers ...
Yes, remington kleanbores were crap in my rifle. cci/federal were all i used after that. The added expense of the muzzle loading primers is crazy and not needed
$2.89 CCI/FederalVS $8.99 Winchester 777 primers [:'(]
$2.89 CCI/FederalVS $8.99 Winchester 777 primers [:'(]
#3
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,585
RE: Primers ...
I tried all the 209 available, the so call special primers by REM. and 777 primers were the pits lots a fliers I did not have even though I actually never got rid of all of them till I went to BH209 powder. The only thing the muzzle loader 209 did was carbon up the Breach Plug a LOT more. I tried all the regular 209s [Win Rem Fed and Rem] and with 777 and RS they gave about the same results. See if you can tell who makes them and let us know. Lee
#4
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: River Ridge, LA (Suburb of New Orleans)
Posts: 10,917
RE: Primers ...
In my Mustang, the 777 primers were the dirtiest of any primers I tried. Regular CCIs were the cleanest. Changed over to .25 ACP - cleaner yet and eliminated flyers.
#5
RE: Primers ...
Lee
I guess I am a bit surprised with your results with Win 777 primers. I normally shoot Remington 209-4 primers, which are no longer available, so I did pick up some - a bunch of Win 777 - from a Wal-mart sale -> $2.00 per 100... I shoot them at the range - trying to save the 209-4's for hunting and I guess I never have noticed any shifts in group sizes,fliers or even a different POI. The only thing I do not like about the Win primers is the battery cup is aluminum - I muchprefer the copper cup of the Remingtons.
The only other primer I have used a lot is the Ceddite - but did not need that hot of a primer for T7 - even in the coldest weather. With the cooler 209-4s(built for 410 shotguns) and the Win T7primers - I do not build a crud ring at all. The Cheddits did produce a slight "crud ring" but nothing unruly...
I guess I am a bit surprised with your results with Win 777 primers. I normally shoot Remington 209-4 primers, which are no longer available, so I did pick up some - a bunch of Win 777 - from a Wal-mart sale -> $2.00 per 100... I shoot them at the range - trying to save the 209-4's for hunting and I guess I never have noticed any shifts in group sizes,fliers or even a different POI. The only thing I do not like about the Win primers is the battery cup is aluminum - I muchprefer the copper cup of the Remingtons.
The only other primer I have used a lot is the Ceddite - but did not need that hot of a primer for T7 - even in the coldest weather. With the cooler 209-4s(built for 410 shotguns) and the Win T7primers - I do not build a crud ring at all. The Cheddits did produce a slight "crud ring" but nothing unruly...
#6
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location:
Posts: 3,246
RE: Primers ...
ORIGINAL: DropTine249
I have a TC Omega .50, topped with a Nikon BDC....
At first I hated the scope, and knowing weapons...Was not confident in its "claimed ability".
I was using remington clean bore muzzleloaderprimers...wasnt getting the groups at 100yards that I wished for
then I was introduced to shotgun primers...
The primer switch was the ONLY thing I changed..Next time out of the farm, I felt like I had a whole new muzzleloader. TACK DRIVER..Couldnt believe it..Brought it out to 150, then 200.....Groups were outstanding..
using 150grain pellet(triple 7)
250grain shockwave
Anyone else use these shotgun primers ? It was alot cheaper than the .25 acp breach conversion....and same theory.
I have a TC Omega .50, topped with a Nikon BDC....
At first I hated the scope, and knowing weapons...Was not confident in its "claimed ability".
I was using remington clean bore muzzleloaderprimers...wasnt getting the groups at 100yards that I wished for
then I was introduced to shotgun primers...
The primer switch was the ONLY thing I changed..Next time out of the farm, I felt like I had a whole new muzzleloader. TACK DRIVER..Couldnt believe it..Brought it out to 150, then 200.....Groups were outstanding..
using 150grain pellet(triple 7)
250grain shockwave
Anyone else use these shotgun primers ? It was alot cheaper than the .25 acp breach conversion....and same theory.
#7
RE: Primers ...
I've never used any other primer than a Winchester 209. My best groups were with the .451 Nosler Partition 300 gr and 110 gr 2f T7. It works just fine for me so I see no need to change (other than maybe some .458 partitions.)
#8
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 1,607
RE: Primers ...
Yeah primers will effect guns differently. My cousin has an Omega that the only thing it will shoot is CCIs. Anything else and it has fliers. However, I have not found that much of a deviation in the guns that I've owned. In fact one day I tried, Remington's, CCIs, Win 777 and Win 209s in my Genesisand never found a difference. I have resorted to shooting the CCIs now because of shooting BH 209 and I don't want to take any chances. But I have not had any problems with ignition w/Klenbores like some have. I think just like with bullets, you have to experiment with primers as well. But it sounds like your search is over
#10
RE: Primers ...
777 primers were the worst in ever tried , but the Remington kleanbore worked the best FOR ME in both my Traditions pursuit pro and my Encore with Pyrodex . Both were nail drivers . But now i use the regular Winchester 209 primers with the Backhorn 209 powder.
Here is my Encore group using Kleanbore primers
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/rgkempton/Muzzle%20loaders/DSCN0019-1.jpg
And my Traditions .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/rgkempton/Muzzle%20loaders/4shot65yrds.jpg
Here is my Encore group using Kleanbore primers
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/rgkempton/Muzzle%20loaders/DSCN0019-1.jpg
And my Traditions .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/rgkempton/Muzzle%20loaders/4shot65yrds.jpg