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i am looking at the Tc triumph and saw where alot of people say there a bear to load a real tight fit
i also saw where you can take the breech plug out real easy by hand and even unload it that way

why could you not remove the breech plug slide the bullet and pellets down from the breech then add the breech plug slide your rod down the barrel and push it down to make sure it sits all the way down
I understand this would not mean you would not have to use the rod but a few inchs seems alot better then 28 inchs
also would this havce any legal issues since a muzzleloader is made to load form the front of the barrel

is this a good idea or just another dumb one

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Sounds like a lot of touble to me , wouldn't you have to add more PB grease to the PB every time ?

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I'LL tell you what if you want a Awsome Gun Talk to Underclocked he has a Unfierd White M97
I think he is going to sale at a Super Price ! :):):)

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No reason it can't be done. But I'd bet if you do it once you'll never do it again.

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It's been done...The Ferguson rifle, back in the 70s...The 1770s...:D

It could be done, it would be better if you removed the rifling from the area where the powder and bullet will be and after loading you would still need to make sure that the bullet is seated on the powder...

The better solution is to find the right bullet, sabot combination that loads fairly easily and is accurate...

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It could be done that way and would be faster with the TC speed breach than a normal screw in but there may be other problems with that technique. For one, the breach end is not designed to load the bullet from that end and thus may damage the bullet as it goes over the sharper edges that the breach seals against. It will also be harder to keep the bullet lined up with the bore and may load at an angle and/or scrape some of the metal off one side or the other. If your using powder instead of pellets you run the risk of getting powder in the breach plug threads. On some guns it would require the removal of the bolt or plunger slowing the reloading further. There are probably other issues that could be included but thats enough for me not to try it.

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Sounds like a lot of trouble to me. If you go ahead and order it worry about it then. You would need to play around with different sabots if you feel it's too hard to load.

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:DStart looking at the KRB7 instead. Solves the tight bore problem post haste.

:)Al

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I have to agree that the idea is not a good one. I also agree that you should consider a different rifle if the loading is a big problem. I finally gave up trying to find something other than a Powerbelt that my Omega would accept so I bought some Whites and a Knight KRB7; I suspect the Omega is going to become a safe queen and probably not get used again.

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Not a good Idea!

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If you use the right sabot they are no more problem to load than any other muzzle loader. Lee

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bigtim6656

If you like the Triumph and it feels good to you, then it really could be the gun for you.

Yes, today TC barrels are showing up really tight, but if you a buying a 50 cal... then out there in the market there is a sabot that will fit the barrel properly. It is really detirmined by the size of you bore. The muzzleloading market does not have a regulatory law that governs the strict size of the bore, one of the things that helps keep ML prices down. It appears that Thompson Center has set their standards to allow anything from a .499 to a .502 as an acceptable bore diameter ( allows them to use the same tool longer - less expense) If you are one of those peole that get the tight .499 then you wll probably be into using the Harvester "crush rib" sabot either the 44/50 cal or the 45/50 cal sabot. If your gun comes with the larger .501/2 barrel you can easily use the HPH-24 or regular Harvester sabot and if you are caught in between you havealso a variety of choices with the MMP HPH-3p-Ez load, the Hornady "low drag" and even Knight has a mid sized sabot available.

So if you like the gun go for it...

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I would be more prone to find a thinner sabot and load the gun as intended. With all the sabots out there, surely there is one to fit the Triumph. Call MMP or Harvester and ask them what triumph owners are using. The right combo of sabot and slug sounds better than trying to load from the azz end.

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I liked Semisane answer. Please video!

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With the choices you offered, it's a stupid idea. :D

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Sounds be silly to me..That would take for ever to reload..
The indians would kick you ass in short order..lol

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Just size your bore and use Bullshop conicals. OH! Thats right you said a trumph, got that QLA and may or may not shot conicals.

Handle a Knight Rolling Block 7.

:) Al

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stupid , lol, well you asked

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thanks guys i thought it was stupid but thought i would ask i figured someone would say they tried it

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It's been done...The Ferguson rifle, back in the 70s...The 1770s...:D Yes. Not to mention the Hall, the Sharps, and any number of other breech-loading separate-loading arms over the years.


In many states, the ML hunting regs say "loads from the muzzle", so it would be illegal, just as the Sharps using loose powder and ball but loading from the breech is NOT legal.

But since the gun is made to be loaded from the muzzle, I suppose if no-one saw you take out the breech plug and load it that way, you would not be arrested. Only you would know you are a crook.....

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I'd worry that the bullet would not be seated correctly in the sabot...

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Have had my .50 Encore for about 18 months and have fired it about 500 times. That gun has a very tight bore: Every recent model TC that I have fired has a tight bore. It is very difficult to get a250 grain SST in the standard sabotdown the bore of my Encore. Those tight fitting sabots are good for 100 yard groups of 1.25 inches and better.

Tried the crush rib saboted 250 grain SST and the gun shot all over the place. Also tried the Hornady low drag sabots with the SST bullet: Groups wereall over 2" but less than 3."

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Buy a package of Crushed Rib sabots from here:

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00072H15045BR

buy a package of MMP24 (they are thinner than MMP12's) and a package of 3 petal-EZ from

www.mmpsabots.com. Then you have all the sabots to try different combinations in your Triumph.
You want them "goldilicks tight", not too loose you can push them with 1 hand, not too tight that you have to pound them down, but just right, with about 30 lbs of pressure to load, tight but not too tight.
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