I was reading on another forum where ill. demarats are trying to ban reloading and you have to register AMMO.

I am glad I live in VA but there is going to be a major fight on this. If I read right, this could hit BP rifles both Muzzleloaders and cartridge

http://www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/reload/reload.pl?read=28889

IL is run by a bunch of gun hating liberals. They come up with new gun control schemes everymorning when they wake up. Got to have a FOID card in PRIL in order to buy a gun. Never mind that they gave a FOID card to that mentally ill guy who murdered and wounded a lot of folks at NIU.

"A former employee at a Chicago psychiatric treatment center said Kazmierczak was placed there after high school by his parents. She said he used to cut himself, and had resisted taking his medications."

"He also had a short-lived stint as a prison guard that ended abruptly when he didn't show up for work. He was in the Army for about six months in 2001-02, but he told a friend he'd gotten a psychological discharge."

OK then - if these politicians are such A**holes, why are they still in office. All you hunters/shooter in this state need to send emails to them and remind them that they represent you and your opinions (the majority) not the whims of a few dunderheads.

Well they can pass all the gun laws they want and it will do no good. They do not enforce the countless hundreds of stupid gun laws,currently on the books unless it suits them. But let a public incident happen, especially around election time and they stand and scream that there are people that need help, and their way of helping those that will not help themselves is to punish others by removing their property and privileges. What they need to do is have society and the medical community start to identifythese individuals in our society out there when they are in their early stages, and start taking steps to insure they are unarmed, and monitored. If the person will not take his or her medication, then they need to make sure the person does.

You can not tell me that when this person was growing up, warning flags did not go off and people did not say, something about this person is not right. As mentioned, * he was institutionalized at a Chicago psychiatric treatment center,* he used to cut himself, and had resisted taking his medications, * He was in the Army for about six months in 2001-02, but he told a friend he'd gotten a psychological discharge. If that is not a red flag for this person to be monitored, then what is. Actually his prior actions would have banned him for firearm ownership in Wisconsin. When you purchase a firearm and fill out the forms, there are questions you must answer that pertain to your mental history. He would have had to lie on the form, and then fail the background check had this person been tracked through the right channels.

The problem is the medical and social programs are failing to account for these individuals. Your department of social services scream for more funding, and more personal. They know there are problems with some people in our community, but do not have the fiscal resources to monitor these people in many cases. Still, the political cure is, punish the rest of the community by banning ownership of firearms, and reloading supplies.

Here is another scenario.. what if the public was allowed to be armed by RESPONSIBLE AND TRAINED adults. I mean, allow people after training and extensive back ground checks to be armed. This person walks into the lecture hall armed with his weapons. The difference is, there are several individuals in the audience armed. What would have been the outcome? A massive shoot out, or a well placed counter shot,or just the one person shooting out of control. Yet I cringe when I think of Grandma walking around with a Glock in her purse just waiting for that little mugger to try getting her social security check again.

Something our current society had better pay more attention to. The tendencies for more extreme violence is becoming the norm and not the infrequent occurrence. People armed robbing stores, robbing elderly in parking lots, confronting police and other community personal in armed confrontations, all of this we see on the news every day.

We are not going to change many people's idea of what is right and wrong or the way they live. This person got his weapons through legal channels. How did this happen? Why was his name not flagged. Also criminals can and do every day get weapons by illegal means. So just the fact he got them legally would not have probably stopped him. Our society is at a crossroads. How can you convince a drug dealer that the right road to follow in societyis working at a McDonald's for $250.00 a week when he can make that in a couple hours by selling drugs. Poverty, education of the masses, access to higher education for all,is the manner you turn the violent tendencies around. When you can show people they do have options to achieve and become a working, tax paying member of society in a peaceful manner, thenperhaps they would take a less violent route that effect all.

People with mental disorders need to be identified, and monitored. Granted they have rights and we need to acknowledge their rights and be sensative to their needs but in return for this treatment, they have to accept treatment. They need to allow themselves to take their medication and see their mental and medical personal to monitor their progress. Then and only then,can work and live in our communities is a safe and productive manner.

what really worries me, if this damn thing passes. how long until other states will try something like this.

Cayugad you are dead on. Several states make it very difficult for a law abiding citizen to buy a gun. In IL they go further than most states: In order for an individual to buy a gun he/she has toundergo a background checkand be issued aFOID card. This nutcase had a FOID card. Kazmierczak lied on the ATF Form 4473, item f, every time he bought a gun.

IMO-The state of IL bears some responsibility for the actions of this murderer.

It is easy to "Monday Morning Quarterback" this thing at NIU. The government should have done this or that...

What it says to me is that "the government" is not capable of very much to begin with. Giving them evenmore money and discretionary power may not be the right thing to do.

Personally I think the solution to gun violence is more gun ownership, especially carried guns, preferrably open carry. I bet if that guy at NIU thought for one second there was going to be someone in that auditorium who would shoot back, he wouldn't have gone on his killing spree.

JM2C

"I bet if that guy at NIU thought for one second there was going to be someone in that auditorium who would shoot back, he wouldn't have gone on his killing spree."

Very true.

I lived in Calif for 50 yrs. and had enough of Gun Control. I would't be surprised if you have to regester a BB gun now. When I moved to Utah, One of the first things that I did was to get a carry permit. I would venture to say that at least85 percent of the population in Utah have a gun in their house. one of the reasons for the low crime rate in this State, the bad guy's know that people are armed. My wife and I will celebrate our fiftyth aniversity next month, and we are going to San Diego for a visit, even tho I know it is against the law, I will be packing, for the only one that will protect you is you, andI had rather be arrested than dead.Utah is the only state that allows a person with a carry permit to take a gun to college. Note I said a carry permit. A lot of training goes into getting that permit. Now I am not saying that if someone had a gun in Dekalb Ill that it would have prevented a killing, what I am saying is it might have cut down on the number of killings. I would like to see all states have the carry law. Well, I will get off the band wagon now, just wanted to spout off a bit on a subject that is close to my heart.Since I am new to the forum I hope that I don't rub anyone the wrong way-its just the way I feelabout this subject.

In MO we have a carry law, the problem is you cannot take it anywhere. Most bussinesses have signs posted that you cannot enter the premisis with a gun. What a crock of s*** that is. We have the training and know how to get that permit but if I can only carry that in my truck what the hell good is that. I work with some surveyors who happen to be in "tough" areas at times and they should be allowed to protect themselves. Thank God for the NRA, congress is scared to death of them as they should be, they are on the government like stink on s***. At least some organization has our best interests and can fight for us as no one in congres listens to us anyway.