trophy1

Mike, when I get some time I will e-mail you eith the info. Thanks for the interest. Donn

trophy1

Rafsob is right... they are pricey, especially with todays economy... I live near Flint, Mi. Things are very bad in this part of the woods. Wish I had a trillion dollars to get the economy on track...oops, I'm getting political.
The gun is expensive due to expensive parts. I guess there is no way around that. Notto offend anybody, but I think you get what you pay for, generally. Plus, this gun really is in a league of its own for long range shooting. I have laughed out loud when these TV guys pass up huge bucks at 250-300 yards because theyare shooting Encores, which are pretty nice guns in their own right. Give me a poke at them!

little-d

i just went and looked at them. thats asclose as i will get to that iron. to much money for me. but i sure would like to have one.

Tenmilephenom

Looks like anice gun but I'm in the same boat as most-to spendy for me.

txhunter58

So are they really heavy guns, or do they kick like mules or both?

trophy1

They are heavy, about 10 pounds,which helps witht recoil reduction. They are now making a mountain rifle, lots of graphite or carbon fiber, I guess and I was told it really doesn't have a lot of recoil considering its light weight.
I don't understand how that could be, but I trust the guy who told me. I held one about a year ago, but lost alot of interest in about 3 seconds after I heard the price. Seems like it was well over $3000. Way too rich for my gene pool! The model I have was a stretch for me. I guess its all about priorities. Lots of shotgunners pay way more than that for their scatterguns. The way I look at it, it replaces my deer slug guns as well as my other muzzleloaders, and I end up with what I think is the best ML out there. Sort of simplifies my life.

HEAD0001

I am by no means knocking a product that I have no experience with. I do have experience with T7. IMO T7 is temperature sensitive, and also very sensitive to moisture. The problem I see is getting consistent ignition and especially consistent pressure from T7 pellets. Your bullet seating would also have to be perfect every time to achieve such results. As I said I do not doubt it, I just question it. IMO the POI would change due to climate shooting conditions. Again that is just my opinion. But I know for sure that climate shooting conditions will affect POI with a 130 grain load, so how could a 200 grain load be more consistent?? Tom.

trophy1

Hi Tom,
you are right on the money about the varying POI's. I have found (and so have my buddies) that some days, especially warm, humid days... we can"t beg, borrow, or steal a tight group. I only shoot Pyrodex, and for consistant shooting it has to be fresh, naturally, because as you correctly implied, the powder is hygroscopic. For consistant seating, I usually use a Pack-jack which controls the downward pressure (sort of like a torque wrench for downward pressure). It simply slides over the end of your range rod.
Now let me ask you a question....which would be affected more by a given amount of humidity, a small amount of powder getting slightly damp, or a large amount of powder getting slightly damp? Obviously the small amount would be affected to a greater extent, having a greater effect on consistancy. And believe me, even the larger charge is quite affected. I don't think any ML can always be a tack driver all the time. Bummer!

trophy1

Tom,
I just thought of another analogy. (I'm a bit slow...)
Ever throw a small amount of wet wood on a big, roaring fire? Hardly affects the fire.
Now do the same to a small campfire. It affects it more. Kind of like the big powder charge with the big magnum rifle primer. Just a thought. Donn

HEAD0001

I do not quite agree with your analogy. Velocity is directly proportional to pressure. And pressure is basically Volume X Mass(powder). IMO it is harder to regulate larger Volume and larger Mass(powder).

Again IMO it is easy to regulate a small amount of powder. Go to a BP Silhouette shoot. Normally the fellow with the most accurate rifle is normally shooting the smaller charge. With 4 T7 pellets the mass and volume is great. So a variation of pressure is IMO more likely to occur. Again, just my opinion. Tom.