New ML
 

Hello all, get my first ML this weekend Omega 50 w/thumbhole and realtree camo along with the Omega scope. and comments or advise on this package? also i'm sure this has been been talked about to death but what would you recommend for loads for first time shooting and sight in along with deer hunting inWisconsin.

Thnaks everyone.

RE: New ML
 

H3
First off I would like to welcome you to the forum AND congrats on the new SMOKER
IMO - 100gr loose 2fg 777 and a 250gr TC Shokewave will shoot good for you.

But the proper way would be to get you about 3to4 diff kind of bullets to try and see what your gun likes the best,
Start with 80gr of powder and work your way up to see what the most ACCU charge is out of your gun also

Good bullets to try - Speer Gold Dot 250/300gr - Hornady XTP 240 / 300gr - Barns MZ or TMZ 250 / 290gr
Tc Shockwave 200 / 250 / 300gr - Nosler PG 260gr /
All of these are Proven bullets
BUT DO your self a Favor and stick with LOOSE POWDER

RE: New ML
 

H3 - Welcome to the forum its good to have you here. That sounds like an excellent outfit you have there. Maybe Santa was good to you. The Omega will do it all. I would suggest you shoot 100-120 grains of loose powder such as Pyrodex RS or Triple Se7en 2f powder. Start with 80 grains and work up from there. Bullets I would suggest are the 200, 250, or 300 grain Shockwaves for starters. Some other ones to try are Speer Gold Dots, Nosler Partitionand Hornady XTP's but for sighting in I would START with the Shockwaves and branch out from there. If you want to shoot pellets, then start with 100 grains of pellets (2 of them) and later try three pellets if you want to try.

Put your scope on with Warne QD rings so it is easy to take on and off. Scopes with any magnification are illegal in Wisconsin for Muzzleloader season, sothis will be a great help.I shoot a Nikon 1X20mmm on my rifle during the muzzleloader season and a Nikon 2-7 during the modern rifle season when I use my White Ultra Mag.

Good luck with the rifle. Any questions you might have, just ask.

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Congrats, showever got you that Omega for Christmas did you a great service. Follow the advice that has been given by Indiana Smokepole and Cayugad and you'll be happy. I currently shoot the Barnes 245gr Spitfire with either two 50g T7 pellets or 90g loose T7 FFG. I plan to get me some crush rib sabots to try with some Barnes Expanders 250gr and maybe some Speer Gold Dots 250gr, I may also try some bonded 250 shockwaves. The regular 250gr shockwaves shoot great out of my gun.The only thing I would suggest in addition to what has already been said is that if you go with the 250 shockwaves get the bonded ones.

RE: New ML
 

That sounds like a great setup. I like 250gr shockwaves in my Omega, with a somewhat heavy charge of Pyrodex RS (130gr). I'd start at 100gr and work up to 150. Noticing you have a scope, I would expect you to want a powerful, flat shooting load for longer shots, which is why I'd look for a load at 100gr+.

RE: New ML
 

My Omega shoots under 1" groups at 100 yards with 130gr. Pyrodex pellets .
Charlie

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I would have to agree with chaz3815, 130 grains in pellets would be my max. charge. I have found that 150 grains to be in-consistent. 130 grains in Triple 7 or Pyrodex pellets seems to work very well in Omegas! Not saying its the best, but if you do go the pellet route, that would be my charge of choice!!!!!

RE: New ML/ one more question
 

Thanks for all the tip's. sorry i did not get back to you sooner been out town for a while. I will take your advise and try a few different loads and sabots for the ML. going to a local shop install the scope with QD rings.

Thnaks again.

one more question for you my neighbor now wants to get one but does not want to spend the high $$ for the omega scope what would all recommend ?

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I have an Omega and I shoot 100g of 777 loose, 300g Nosler Partition Protected Point HG (hand gun, opens at a bit lower velocity), Crushed Rib sabot. I swab between shots IN THE FIELD and on the bench. In the FIELD, I use bore butter, because it doesn't dry out in a plastic bag. Other good bullets are: Barnes--MZ, TMZ, really any Barnes. ShockWave bonded. Speer Gold Dot 300g. Here are the things I use for my Omega:

Crushed rib:
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00072H15045BR

MMP12 High Pressure Sabot (Sabot Loader experiment showed crushed rib lost 200 fps over MMP, so use MMP IF they fit your bore):
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0021150045HPH

Nosler Partion:
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0011545350
I like 300g since they shoot thru deer the 260 do NOT always shoot thru deer and the 300 do, and they have better BC.

Speer Gold Dot:
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000213974

Barnes Expander MZ:
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0003545162

That should get you started. Forget pellets 90 to 120g of loose 777 is what the gun will shoot well at.
Welcome to the forum. Best Wishes for 2008 and your NEW ML!
Chap Gleason

RE: New ML/ one more question
 

i have a atec simmons on mine in 2.8x10x44 so far its been good. before mississippi laws would pemit scopes i used the zero x pentax it was great for shooting paper plates but when i hit the woods the deer that came by at 50 yrds looked like ants i got one but only cause it stood there long enough to let me look over the scope about ten times to make sure thats what i was aiming at, after that i went without untill i got that red dot after i missed a few using that i took it off in the woods and said the heck with all that stuff and went with open sights till the magnacation was allowed. once you get that new gun broke in you will like it, just don't get mad cause its to hard to load, just keep a slege hammer in you pocket to hammer them first few hundred rounds down into the bottom.

RE: New ML/ one more question
 

If your GUN LOADS hard your using the WRONG SABOT for your bore size. Buy some MMP HPH12, HPH24 and 3petel EZ and some Harvester Crushed Rib sabots and get the right sabot for your bore.
It should go down tight, but NOT pound it down tight. Loose is dangerous and looses accuracy.
Chap Gleason

RE: New ML/ one more question
 

Mine loves 250 gr. SW and 110 gr. 777 ffg. Shoots under an inch at 100 yds. I have the same set up as you. This load will drop 221/2 inches at 250 when zeroed at 100.

RE: New ML/ one more question
 

Being in Wisconsin, if he wants to hunt the modern season and not spend a lot of money.. a Bushnell Banner Dusk to Dawn 3-9x40mm would be a good scope. A Nikon Pro Staff is better. They range $149.00. For the muzzleloader season, a Nikon !x20mm or a T/C 1x32mm are around $150-$180.00. Traditions sells a 1X32mm for $50.00 but I have no experience with it. When I get the new mount for my rifle, I am going to get one just to see if I can shoot and shake it apart...

RE: New ML/ one more question
 

H3, welcome to the frontstuffers!:D
There is alot of knowledge here from alot of guys that have been doing this for YEARS. Not me, I'm still a newbie. Only been at the ML thing for about a year.
Cayugad, Lemoyne, Sabotloader, Frontier Gander, Chap Gleason, to name just a few, have forgotten more about black powder shooting and hunting than I know. Don't hesitate to ask anything. Chances are, someone here has had the same problem or situation. The knowledge is here for the taking.


I just bought a Bushnell "sharpshooter" ML pkg from WW. All the ML stuff is on clearance so it was only $35. Scope, mounts and rings.
It's a 3x9x32. We'll see how it does in a couple of days at the range.
It went on my KRB7, but the mounts have a bunch of different ways to set up and it says it will fit CVA, Knight, Traditions and TC.