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RE: 209 question
From my Encore, I shoot PB 240 gr .40 cal over 120 grains of loose Pyrodex, ignited using the Variflame system also. I can consistantly shoot 1" five shot groups at 100 yards off the bench from a fouled bore. I have proven this system to several guys at the range over the (209 primer/pellet) combination. Once guys see for themselves how consistantly this combination shoots, they can't believe it.
This is an excerpt from a post I made in another thread. I certainly applies here too. |
RE: 209 question
I think its BS I get the same accuracy with all 209 primers the special muzzleloader ones are so dirty in the Triumph as to necessitate cleaning the breach plug every 10 shots but the regular win 209 for reloading shot shells work just fine.
If you have a sabot thats tight enough for fine accuracy I dont think that the 209 could be moveing it off the powder, I just dont believe you could possably get minute of angle or anywhere near it if that was happening. Of course that may be one of the reasons a really tight combination is needed for good accuracy. Maybe Sabotloader will tell us if he get good accuracy with a little better fitting combo with the 25apc conversion? Lee |
RE: 209 question
what is the veriflame system you're talking about? I'm new to muzzleloading so I haven't heard of a lot of this stuff.
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RE: 209 question
LEE
Maybe Sabotloader will tell us if he get good accuracy with a little better fitting combo with the 25apc conversion? Lee I will even climb out on the limb a little further... from Remington's I have shot: Cheddite 209 primers Remington 209-4 primers Remington 209 Premieres Federal 209 Winchester 209 Winchester Triple Seven 209 primers I can not tell you I have seen a difference in accuracy with any of this either but some a definitely cleaner than others.... Variflame - is a battery cup like a 209 primer with the ability to install a small pistol primer - Distributed by Precision Rifle... I have one of these also that I want try in the White, not because of accuracy but maybe a little less mess in the breech - Have not had a chance to try them yet... |
RE: 209 question
ORIGINAL: edelsite I guess I should expand on what I read a little...The article said that regular shotshell 209's are too hot and actually dispell the charge slightly in the barrel before the blackpowder chargefires. It went on to say that accuracy was lost due to the powder and bullet no longer being seated firmly at the bottom of the barrel. They explained that muzzleloading specific 209'sare not as explosive and won't dispell the black powder charge. It all sounds good on paper, but I know all too well you can't believe all you read.Therefore, has anyone out there compared side by side shotshell 209's to ML 209's? |
RE: 209 question
The Variflame primer system is one method of using a small rifle primer to ignite the powder charge. I believe all of the small rifle primer systems mentioned in this thread (Variflame, 25acp, 32 H&R) were all developed by PR Bullets. The biggest difference with the Variflame is that no breech plug modification is necessary, because the dimensions of the brass cup that hold the small rifle primer are about the same as a 209 primer. So, the Variflame cup seats in an existing 209 primer breech.
One advantage to using these small rifle primer systems; is that they are cleaner. The 25acp and 32H&R and the cleanest because the shell casing is inserted into the modified breech plug and any blowback following ignition is captured very effectively. However, the reason these system were developed by PR Bullets WAS NOT to be cleaner. That is merely an added bonus. The reason they were developed was to use an ignition source that was hot, but much less powerful than the over powered 209 primer. That is the God's honest truth. Read the development yourself at prbullet.com |
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