powerbelt bullet penetration
10-14-2007 | 05:39 PM
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RE: powerbelt bullet penetration
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Has any one had penetration issues with powerbelt bullets ? I shot a 115lb Georgia doe yesterday on openind day. She was at about 30 yards broadside. I was shooting 150grs of Pyrodex pellets and a 245gr 50 cal hollowpoint bullet. I shot her right behind the front shoulder. Blew a hole about the size of your fist on the entrance side and fragmented on the ribs taking out the heart with a few pieces laying under the skin on the opposite side. She dropped in her tracks so I have no problem with the performance I was just thinking at that distance it should have went completely through her. Do you think that the 150gr powder charge was what caused the problem with penetration at that close of a distance and yes I know i don't need all that powder but i shoot it without any problems and i shoot it very accurately. Any opinions ?
Has any one had penetration issues with powerbelt bullets ? I shot a 115lb Georgia doe yesterday on openind day. She was at about 30 yards broadside. I was shooting 150grs of Pyrodex pellets and a 245gr 50 cal hollowpoint bullet. I shot her right behind the front shoulder. Blew a hole about the size of your fist on the entrance side and fragmented on the ribs taking out the heart with a few pieces laying under the skin on the opposite side. She dropped in her tracks so I have no problem with the performance I was just thinking at that distance it should have went completely through her. Do you think that the 150gr powder charge was what caused the problem with penetration at that close of a distance and yes I know i don't need all that powder but i shoot it without any problems and i shoot it very accurately. Any opinions ?
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10-14-2007 | 08:24 PM
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RE: powerbelt bullet penetration
I personally would never use any other projectile in my ML other then the Powerbelts i love them. I hunt with a CVA Hunterbolt and i have killed 5 deer with this bullet and i have never had a proplem with penetration i have shot the deer at all kinds of ranges from 20 to 150 yards and they all have penetrated well. I use a 295 Grain Hollow point powerbelt with 100 grains of Triple seven pellets.
10-15-2007 | 12:35 AM
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RE: powerbelt bullet penetration
The only thing I have shot with a PB is a spike mulie with a 444 gr .50 with 110 777. right thru the liver and dead 75 yards later. entry and exit wounds. I liked the result. I also shot a large cow elk with a 435 grn .54 maxiball from TC years ago. Distance was 30 feetand I expected a through and through wound, but was susprised when I found the solid chunk of lead under the skin on the far side. I have found out this is common since deer and elk hide stretches well like a trampoline. I have been a proponent of heavy bullets since reading some documentation on shootings that indicates that wound channel distance is the most important factor in causing death or men or beast other than shot placement. The same research showed that when considering lower velocity projectiles such as pistol rounds and (ML bullets) the best way to increase wound channel depth is to increase the weight of the bullet. Velocity is secondary. A 180 grain .45 acp will stop a man better than a 147 grain 9mm, despite the fact the 9mm goes at 300 fps faster. Thus for sheer stopping ability its best to put the biggest deepest hole through what you want to bring down, since with ML's you usually don't get the luxury of second shot often.
10-15-2007 | 02:20 AM
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RE: powerbelt bullet penetration
ORIGINAL: serious redneck
The only thing I have shot with a PB is a spike mulie with a 444 gr .50 with 110 777. right thru the liver and dead 75 yards later. entry and exit wounds. I liked the result. I also shot a large cow elk with a 435 grn .54 maxiball from TC years ago. Distance was 30 feetand I expected a through and through wound, but was susprised when I found the solid chunk of lead under the skin on the far side. I have found out this is common since deer and elk hide stretches well like a trampoline. I have been a proponent of heavy bullets since reading some documentation on shootings that indicates that wound channel distance is the most important factor in causing death or men or beast other than shot placement. The same research showed that when considering lower velocity projectiles such as pistol rounds and (ML bullets) the best way to increase wound channel depth is to increase the weight of the bullet. Velocity is secondary. A 180 grain .45 acp will stop a man better than a 147 grain 9mm, despite the fact the 9mm goes at 300 fps faster. Thus for sheer stopping ability its best to put the biggest deepest hole through what you want to bring down, since with ML's you usually don't get the luxury of second shot often.
The only thing I have shot with a PB is a spike mulie with a 444 gr .50 with 110 777. right thru the liver and dead 75 yards later. entry and exit wounds. I liked the result. I also shot a large cow elk with a 435 grn .54 maxiball from TC years ago. Distance was 30 feetand I expected a through and through wound, but was susprised when I found the solid chunk of lead under the skin on the far side. I have found out this is common since deer and elk hide stretches well like a trampoline. I have been a proponent of heavy bullets since reading some documentation on shootings that indicates that wound channel distance is the most important factor in causing death or men or beast other than shot placement. The same research showed that when considering lower velocity projectiles such as pistol rounds and (ML bullets) the best way to increase wound channel depth is to increase the weight of the bullet. Velocity is secondary. A 180 grain .45 acp will stop a man better than a 147 grain 9mm, despite the fact the 9mm goes at 300 fps faster. Thus for sheer stopping ability its best to put the biggest deepest hole through what you want to bring down, since with ML's you usually don't get the luxury of second shot often.
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10-15-2007 | 06:54 AM
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RE: powerbelt bullet penetration
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The only thing I have shot with a PB is a spike mulie with a 444 gr .50 with 110 777. right thru the liver and dead 75 yards later. entry and exit wounds. I liked the result. I also shot a large cow elk with a 435 grn .54 maxiball from TC years ago. Distance was 30 feetand I expected a through and through wound, but was susprised when I found the solid chunk of lead under the skin on the far side. I have found out this is common since deer and elk hide stretches well like a trampoline. I have been a proponent of heavy bullets since reading some documentation on shootings that indicates that wound channel distance is the most important factor in causing death or men or beast other than shot placement. The same research showed that when considering lower velocity projectiles such as pistol rounds and (ML bullets) the best way to increase wound channel depth is to increase the weight of the bullet. Velocity is secondary. A 180 grain .45 acp will stop a man better than a 147 grain 9mm, despite the fact the 9mm goes at 300 fps faster. Thus for sheer stopping ability its best to put the biggest deepest hole through what you want to bring down, since with ML's you usually don't get the luxury of second shot often.
The only thing I have shot with a PB is a spike mulie with a 444 gr .50 with 110 777. right thru the liver and dead 75 yards later. entry and exit wounds. I liked the result. I also shot a large cow elk with a 435 grn .54 maxiball from TC years ago. Distance was 30 feetand I expected a through and through wound, but was susprised when I found the solid chunk of lead under the skin on the far side. I have found out this is common since deer and elk hide stretches well like a trampoline. I have been a proponent of heavy bullets since reading some documentation on shootings that indicates that wound channel distance is the most important factor in causing death or men or beast other than shot placement. The same research showed that when considering lower velocity projectiles such as pistol rounds and (ML bullets) the best way to increase wound channel depth is to increase the weight of the bullet. Velocity is secondary. A 180 grain .45 acp will stop a man better than a 147 grain 9mm, despite the fact the 9mm goes at 300 fps faster. Thus for sheer stopping ability its best to put the biggest deepest hole through what you want to bring down, since with ML's you usually don't get the luxury of second shot often.
Was this the article?
http://randywakeman.com/EnergyTransferandBulletBullistics.htm
or this:
http://www.rkba.org/research/fackler/wrong.html
If not what was the source of your referenced conclusions? Thanks Chap Gleason
10-15-2007 | 06:22 PM
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RE: powerbelt bullet penetration
thanks for the input. i measured the distance today and it was 23 yards. maybe i will back down to 100 grains of powder before i head off to Va in a few weeks. maybe i will quit breaking scopes as well.
10-15-2007 | 06:30 PM
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RE: powerbelt bullet penetration
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thanks for the input. i measured the distance today and it was 23 yards. maybe i will back down to 100 grains of powder before i head off to Va in a few weeks. maybe i will quit breaking scopes as well.
thanks for the input. i measured the distance today and it was 23 yards. maybe i will back down to 100 grains of powder before i head off to Va in a few weeks. maybe i will quit breaking scopes as well.
http://www.the-gleasons.com/this_is_my_savage_10_ml_page.htm
Barnes is excellent if you can get them to shot in your gun. Parker Ballistic Extreme is excellent if they work for you. TC Shockwave is great, as is bonded SW. Harvester Scorpion PT is also good. If your shooting AeroTip PB, use heavier bullet and take "bow shots" i.e broadside, no bone shots. Then they work great. if you slow them down to 1200 to 1400 fps, then they expand and penetrate well, frrom what I read.I shot them for 4 years and had good results for 3 of the years, then with 150 loads I had problems, just like you experienced. Chap
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10-15-2007 | 07:08 PM
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RE: powerbelt bullet penetration
ORIGINAL: gregorybraswell
Has any one had penetration issues with powerbelt bullets ? I shot a 115lb Georgia doe yesterday on openind day. She was at about 30 yards broadside. I was shooting 150grs of Pyrodex pellets and a 245gr 50 cal hollowpoint bullet. I shot her right behind the front shoulder. Blew a hole about the size of your fist on the entrance side and fragmented on the ribs taking out the heart with a few pieces laying under the skin on the opposite side. She dropped in her tracks so I have no problem with the performance I was just thinking at that distance it should have went completely through her. Do you think that the 150gr powder charge was what caused the problem with penetration at that close of a distance and yes I know i don't need all that powder but i shoot it without any problems and i shoot it very accurately. Any opinions ?
Has any one had penetration issues with powerbelt bullets ? I shot a 115lb Georgia doe yesterday on openind day. She was at about 30 yards broadside. I was shooting 150grs of Pyrodex pellets and a 245gr 50 cal hollowpoint bullet. I shot her right behind the front shoulder. Blew a hole about the size of your fist on the entrance side and fragmented on the ribs taking out the heart with a few pieces laying under the skin on the opposite side. She dropped in her tracks so I have no problem with the performance I was just thinking at that distance it should have went completely through her. Do you think that the 150gr powder charge was what caused the problem with penetration at that close of a distance and yes I know i don't need all that powder but i shoot it without any problems and i shoot it very accurately. Any opinions ?
10-16-2007 | 12:18 AM
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RE: powerbelt bullet penetration
Chapman, the article I read came out of a law enforcement publication. It was approx 5-8 yrs ago and I don't remember the writer or the name of the publication. It primarily delt with the effects of gunshot wounds from pistol rounds on humans and I believe the data was originally compiled from a source that collects that kind of data like the FBI.
Generally most subjects of shootings, animal or human die from blood loss. the best way to do this is make the biggest hole (or holes) you can the furtherest through the subject you can, preferably through heart, lung or liver. Research shows that heavier bullets get better penetration over lighter bullets. This is an interesting line of study, with many points of view. I have never shot an elk sized animal with a sabot, but I know a friend that put one in the boiler room and ended up tracking it until the blood trail dried up. Of course he could have had poor shot placement, but I want the insurance.
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Generally most subjects of shootings, animal or human die from blood loss. the best way to do this is make the biggest hole (or holes) you can the furtherest through the subject you can, preferably through heart, lung or liver. Research shows that heavier bullets get better penetration over lighter bullets. This is an interesting line of study, with many points of view. I have never shot an elk sized animal with a sabot, but I know a friend that put one in the boiler room and ended up tracking it until the blood trail dried up. Of course he could have had poor shot placement, but I want the insurance.
Happy day
10-16-2007 | 07:28 AM
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RE: powerbelt bullet penetration
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Generally most subjects of shootings, animal or human die from blood loss. the best way to do this is make the biggest hole (or holes) you can the furtherest through the subject you can, preferably through heart, lung or liver. Research shows that heavier bullets get better penetration over lighter bullets.
Generally most subjects of shootings, animal or human die from blood loss. the best way to do this is make the biggest hole (or holes) you can the furtherest through the subject you can, preferably through heart, lung or liver. Research shows that heavier bullets get better penetration over lighter bullets.