Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

Anyone tried these?

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/standard-pod-wrapped.jsp?id=0034484&navCount=1&parentId =cat601638&masterpathid=&navAction=push&am p;cmCat=MainCatcat20712-cat601638_TGP&parentType=index&indexId=cat 601638&rid=

2nd question-With the 25 acp breech plug, do you have to put the primer in the 25 acp casing then load the casing in the breech plug? Just not familiar with it....

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

I use the adapters in both my 209x45 Encore and my 209x50 Omega love them and have not had any problems with them . with the 25 acps you do have to load the primers in the cases .
Charlie

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

Are you seeing a reduction in the crud ring with the variflame?

Is loading those small primers in the 209 case a pain?

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

blackheel

With the right tool it is a piece of cake

Now this is just my opinion - but the 25acp system is much better and more complete system than the vari-flame. The vari-flame was developed for those guns that a 25acp breech plug was not available.

If you shoot a lot the 25 system will be much easier to manipulate if you are an occasional shooter the vari-flame will serve the purpose...

The 25 system is more expensive...

Check this thread out

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2358829

If you would like more information let me know there is a bunch out there....

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

How are you loading the primers in the 25acp cases and do factory cases work? What I am wondering is do I need the stuff that reloaders need?

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

blackheel

I use a lee loader hand primer tool - think Hornady makes one also...

Factory case will work but they do vary in length so you might have to cut them a bit to optimum length.

Very little of that stuff....

I punch the used primers out with a simple punch...

Precision Rifle has everything you need - it is a bit expensive but in my little world it is well worth it. If you shoot a lot I would also order the extra 50 pack of 25's - I believe Precision has lengthened all the cases to the proper length.

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

The 25acp conversion works great in my Omega. I also have the veri flame but they are hard to keep from loosing, especiallywhen target shooting ( they are the same size as a 209 ). The 25s are also much cleaner in the breach area. I made my own 25acp breach plug using an extra breach plug I had on hand, a drill press and a no. J drill bit. You can buy the lee auto prime and a 25acp shell holder for in the $15 range and a bag of 100 25acp brass for less than $11.00 ( at Midway ). You will have to go to a store that sells (because of the $20 has-mat fee) reloading supplies for the primers,for about $3. I set the depth of the hole, in the breech plug, so that my Omega closes a little harder than with 209, and havent had any trouble with factory length brass ( get a good deep dent in the primer).

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Right now the 25 acp sounds like a bit much for me to mess with.

Mayguy-Did you see an improvement in the crud ring with the variflame, enough to make the switch from 209's?

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

Hey blackheel, check out this old thread.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2337672&mpage=1&key==

It will answer lots of your questions.

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

The crud ring is way down and the reloading of the adapters is not bad , all you need is a table and a small rubber hammer . They come in a kit that has all that you will need but the table and hammer .
Charlie

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I also went with the VariFlame adapters. I haven't made it to the range to try them out though. I would have liked to go with the 25 acp breech plug, but money is an issue.I'm sure the variflames will work okay though. Maybe not as clean as the 25 breech plug, but still better than the regular 209's.I don't shoot a whole lot so I went the cheaper way. I did it because I heard it may increase accuracy.

chris

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

Any chance one of you guys with the 25 conversion couldpost a few pictures at different angles of the BP. I am considering modifying an extra BP I have but would like to see how the internal part where the case fits is set up. Thanks in advance for any help with that.

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

Here's one.

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

Thanks Semisane, I saw that one at the link you provided. What I would like to see though is a picture without the brass, just the BP. Do you have any like that?

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

I don't have one like that, but all you would see is a hole the same diameter as the 25 ACP case and deep enough to seat the case as far in as you want it to go.

The bottom of the hole has a slight taper that matches the taper on the point of the drill bit used to drill the hole - or you can make the bottom flat by finishing it with a bottoming bit.

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

That is basically what I wanted to know, thanks.

My thoughts on modifying my BP was to bore/drill the hole to the diameter of the 25ACP case similar to what you have done.Then drill and tap the hole a bit more but a smaller size and put an inner hollow stem about .040" smaller in diameter than the outer hole to help direct the flame directly to the powder. I wouldrecess a high temp O-ring on the top of the stem to seal against the inside of the case headto helpkeep things cleaner. What do you think of that idea? Am I trying to make it too complicated?

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Yeah, I thought about putting some kind of stem in there that would go up into the 25 ACP case. But after shooting another 25 shots Saturday with the new plug in my Mustang, I just don't think it's worth the effort for the little that may be gained - and the plug would probably be a lot harder to clean.

After twenty shots with various loads of T-7 and five shots with JSGthe plug unscrewed as though I had just put it in. So little fouling in the breech area that Ijust wiped it off with a paper towel dampened with Butch's Black Powder Bore Shine, then a little light oil. Cleaned the plug and barrel real well, followed by a light coat of oil - done.

The only thing I do want to try is that teflon tape method some NUT is touting these days.:)

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

I did get less of a crud ring than with any of the 209s that I have tried. There was a little crud but it came out much easier. The best part is the breech area, very clean, and no black on scope. I seemed to have a little better accuracy also.

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I’ve been using the VariFlame system all summer and this past Saturday I took my cow elk and the system worked flawlessly and it is much easier to prime (load) than the .25 ACP. The tool that is provided is very easy to use and I can load all 10-primer cups in less than 3 mins. I use the small rifle primers and it is a very good choice to use with my Encore, 3x50 grain Pyrodex pellets and 250-grain bullet. I don’t need a Lee hand loader or a hammer to load or un-prime the primer cups. Just my opinion but I don’t think you could go wrong with the VariFlame system.

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

On my way home last night I stopped by one of the gun shops and checked to see if they had any 25ACP brass. The only thing they had was 18 peices of once fired so I bought those to have a refrence. I got out my loading info and found the 25's OD spec is .278", the brass I bought was .281". I guess I will need a full length sizing die to make it work or just buy new brass. This brings up a question, how much expansion of the brass do you guys getwhen used in the modified breach plugs?

I'm going to check a few more shops locally to see if any have the new brass in stock. I did go ahead and check the over all length of my extra BP with a 209 in it and found that I needed to drill just over .500 deep to put the 25 brass in the same place. I set up the drill press as Semisane described and modified the BP in less than 5 minutes. Now I just need brass to test it. It was a very easy modification using tools I already have for reloading (calipers) and in my shop (drill bitsand drill press).It could probably be done with a hand held drill but I have a drill press so I used that to keep things better aligned.

I will report back when I get some brass and some time to test it.

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That's what I bought.The machining, buying bits, buying special tools and hand loaders, expense of the breech plug is way to much $$ for me. If I had alot of time on my hands, maybe. But I'd rather be in the woods than at the workbench! JMO

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I can see your point Buckhunter and the route you took is just fine. I hand load for several calibers and have most all the "extras" needed to prime, trim, etc. the cases and I already had an extra BP to modify so that is the route I'm taking for now. I also have the tools needed to do the modification so it works out to be cheaper for me to go this route. Who knows, I may end up where you are in the end.

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I hope no one took my post the wrong way. If you have the stuff already, shoot alot, etc. then I can see it. I was mostly speaking for myself. Not much money here. I'm sure the total breech plug system may also be a little better, but if I were to buy everything, I'd havearound a100 bucks($60 milled plug, $20 loader/brass, $10+ shipping,etc)in the total setup. I paid $20 for the Variflame setup shipped. That's an $80 difference. That extra $80 can go for other hunting stuff I could use. Again, just my opinion. Hope I didn't PO anyone with my post. I should have explained more.

chris

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No offense here and no apology needed. We each have our reasons for what we do and that is fine. We each can also learn from the experiences of others and hopefully share some of our own knowledge along the way. By sharing we all are lifted higher and gain the benifit of others peoples lessons instead of reinventing the wheel again and again.

Have a nice day.

RE: Variflame adapters and 25acp?
 

I have only fired 4 of the 25acp cases more than once. There was no noticable expansion and I don't think they ever will with only a primer in them. Midway has the brass for a little less than $11.00 per 100 but you have to add on shipping and an extra $3.00 for a small order ( under $25.00, I think ). That just gave me a good reason to buy more goodies.

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Midway has them on sale for 8.99 but the 13.00 shipping made me back off on that.

For now I'm going to do my testing with what I have. I found a 7/8-14 hardened steel bolt for a few dollars and bored it the correct size to resize the once firedbrass I got the other day. Tried it out last night and was able to get usable brass out of it. They fit into the BP quite well now. I deprimed them with a spare RCBS depriming pin. I'm going to run them through my tumbler to clean them up a bit then reprime and test them. Should be interesting. I have 3 different guns that this mod could work with so I may end up doing a couple more. So far I only have about $9 invested in this experiment including a shell holder for my press and the 7/8" bolt. I got the BP for free from BPI so that was a blessing. Hope to try it out in the next day or two. Will report back on results.

Almost forgot, I also tried the 25acp cases in my brass 209 capper and they fit. I may need to use a file to slightly reduce the thickness of the lip of the capper but it should hold about a dozen of the cases similar to the way it holds 209's.