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RE: Rifle Bullets for the Hunter A Definitive Study
ORIGINAL: cayugad I would hate to state.. a .50 caliber is good for Xdistance. Killing wise, I know they can do it out to 100 yards, but that again boils down to shot placement. The .54 caliber I think has a little longer range to it then the .50. I would again stress only as far as you are able to place shots. For me that is 100 yards. For someone else, that might be further like 125 yards. ChapGleason |
RE: Rifle Bullets for the Hunter A Definitive Study
ORIGINAL: Pioneer2 Remember the experts say it's impossible for a bee to fly and Galileo was placed under house arrest for having the nerve to claim the earth was round.We all know better now don't we?................Harold http://bibleresources.bible.com/keywordsearchresults.php?keyword=sphere+of+the+ear th&multiplemethod=all&version1=48&nump ageresults=25&sortorder=bookorder Amos 9:6 (Whole Chapter) It is He that buildeth His spheres in the heaven, and hath founded His troop on the earth. He that calleth for the waters of the sea and poureth them out upon the face of the earth--the LORD is His name. Passage Isaiah 40:22: 22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. I wonder howthe writers of the book of God knew to write this in the Bible 1000's of years before Columbus? Guess Columbus was not afraidof dropping of the earth cause he read his Bible. In Christ, who was, who is and who is to come, Chap Gleason |
RE: Rifle Bullets for the Hunter A Definitive Study
ORIGINAL: cayugad I would hate to state.. a .50 caliber is good for Xdistance. Killing wise, I know they can do it out to 100 yards, but that again boils down to shot placement. The .54 caliber I think has a little longer range to it then the .50. I would again stress only as far as you are able to place shots. For me that is 100 yards. For someone else, that might be further like 125 yards. My experiance has always to to gravitate to the most efficient projectile for the given weapon and again even the mountain men did that as the PRB was replaced with better projectiles through time and during their time. As the Brown Bess was replaced in the west so were the projectiles. One of the things that I also believe I rely on that speed kills more efficiently. I also believe that velocity creats more of a shock in the animal than just the wound channel and I believe I have seen enough evidence to prove that. In my limited PRB experiance I believe if you are shooting a PRB or even a lead conical the old saying "make a big hole" probably applies, because with those two projectiles you are probably really relying on the wound channel to do the job. Without the velocity achieved by lighter bullets you are losing some of the benefits collateral damage. OK... I am starting to rattle so time to send... |
RE: Rifle Bullets for the Hunter A Definitive Study
Chap...If you want to drop them in their tracks, put the bullet through the shoulder blade, the spine is directly behind and they will drop...A neck shot (when I say neck I mean where it joins the body as it doesn't move as much) will also work, but the high shoulder shot gives you a little more leeway...Many will ask, why mess up the shoulder??? Well, when you grow up with swamps, bears and cutovers sometimes its just best to drop them, then you have no blood trail to worry about...
I have done this with many different .243 bullets, in my inline I have done it with the 300 Barnes copper and the 250 SST....I have also done it 7-8 times with the .54 and a round ball, although I usually aim right behind the shoulder with that, like a good bow shot... Actually I feel the SST is a bit too hard, now I only use 90 grains FFF Goex...Every deer I have killed with that bullet dropped as I shot all but one of them in the shoulder blade (8 of themI believe)...Shots were from 15 steps to 143 ranged yards...The one I didn't shoot in the shoulder, I shot quartering towards me at the base of the neck....A few years back I had a buddy hit one square in the lungs with the 250 SST, using 90 grains of 777...Dang deer went 125 yards or so, the last 25 in one of our swamps, so I ended up in the swamp, water up to my knees, in my boots, and thinking "I'm getting too dang old for this..."We didn't have a blood trail on that one until we went 75-80 yards or so...So now, I don't worry about the blood trail, with the inline, they make it after they fall... The reason I have stuck with the SST is it's aerodynamic...I have tested it beside the 300 .451 Hornady XTP, the 295 PowerBelt, the 300 Barnes and the 250gr .452 Hornady XTP....I use the inline when I want to hunt over soybeans, corn, etc and might get a 150 yard shot and want the scope for low light condidtions...It will print one ragged hole at 100 yards, sighted in 2 1/2 high, I'm 2 1/2 low at 150 and will have a 2 inch group at that range.... |
RE: Rifle Bullets for the Hunter A Definitive Study
Remember the experts say it's impossible for a bee to fly and Galileo was placed under house arrest for having the nerve to claim the earth was round.We all know better now don't we?................Harold While we are on that subject, it has been my experience that the bullet that stays in the deer with a centerfire will drop the deer faster... |
RE: Rifle Bullets for the Hunter A Definitive Study
Galileo read his own Bible, didn't listen to the established church leaders, 'cause God said this: "It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved." "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Guess Columbus was not afraidof dropping of the earth cause he read his Bible. Ferdinand Magellan - “The Church says that the Earth is flat, but I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow on the moon and I have more faith in the Shadow than in the Church.” |
RE: Rifle Bullets for the Hunter A Definitive Study
ORIGINAL: nchawkeye I have done this with many different .243 bullets, in my inline I have done it with the 300 Barnes copper and the 250 SST....I have also done it 7-8 times with the .54 and a round ball, although I usually aim right behind the shoulder with that, like a good bow shot... chap |
RE: Rifle Bullets for the Hunter A Definitive Study
ORIGINAL: Todd1700 Galileo read his own Bible, didn't listen to the established church leaders, 'cause God said this: "It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved." "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Guess Columbus was not afraidof dropping of the earth cause he read his Bible. Ferdinand Magellan - “The Church says that the Earth is flat, but I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow on the moon and I have more faith in the Shadow than in the Church.” |
RE: Rifle Bullets for the Hunter A Definitive Study
ORIGINAL: nchawkeye Chap...If you want to drop them in their tracks, put the bullet through the shoulder blade, the spine is directly behind and they will drop...A neck shot (when I say neck I mean where it joins the body as it doesn't move as much) will also work, but the high shoulder shot gives you a little more leeway...Many will ask, why mess up the shoulder??? Well, when you grow up with swamps, bears and cutovers sometimes its just best to drop them, then you have no blood trail to worry about... I have done this with many different .243 bullets, in my inline I have done it with the 300 Barnes copper and the 250 SST....I have also done it 7-8 times with the .54 and a round ball, although I usually aim right behind the shoulder with that, like a good bow shot... Actually I feel the SST is a bit too hard, now I only use 90 grains FFF Goex...Every deer I have killed with that bullet dropped as I shot all but one of them in the shoulder blade (8 of themI believe)...Shots were from 15 steps to 143 ranged yards...The one I didn't shoot in the shoulder, I shot quartering towards me at the base of the neck....A few years back I had a buddy hit one square in the lungs with the 250 SST, using 90 grains of 777...Dang deer went 125 yards or so, the last 25 in one of our swamps, so I ended up in the swamp, water up to my knees, in my boots, and thinking "I'm getting too dang old for this..."We didn't have a blood trail on that one until we went 75-80 yards or so...So now, I don't worry about the blood trail, with the inline, they make it after they fall... The reason I have stuck with the SST is it's aerodynamic...I have tested it beside the 300 .451 Hornady XTP, the 295 PowerBelt, the 300 Barnes and the 250gr .452 Hornady XTP....I use the inline when I want to hunt over soybeans, corn, etc and might get a 150 yard shot and want the scope for low light condidtions...It will print one ragged hole at 100 yards, sighted in 2 1/2 high, I'm 2 1/2 low at 150 and will have a 2 inch group at that range.... |
RE: Rifle Bullets for the Hunter A Definitive Study
Chap...Those 300 grain Barnes were the original bullet they came out with in the late 90's...Funny, my Knight Disc didn't like the 250, but loved the 300...That is the bullet that Jim Shockey used for several years, before he got rich and famous....They aren't very aerodynamic because of the huge hollow point, but they preformed fine, once they hit a deer...I never recovered one, and have never recovered a SST either...I would not hesitate to shoot an elk with the 300 Barnes and 100-120 grains of your favorite powder...
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