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Are they still in production? If a man found one what would be the model to get for a little off season shooting and to hunt white tails with. I see they come in 451 or 504. I am guessing that these are 50 cal and 54 cal? I have been to there web site and they look like nice guns.

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Tenmilephenom

If you can find them they are one the best ML you can buy... mechanically and accuracy...

.451 - 45 cal
.504 - 50 cal

Try this site...

http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com/

I can not tell you how to get ahold of Doc right now as his e-mail was on the whiterifles server which is gone as the company closed. Doc usually has a few rifles around the shop hw will sell.

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I know where there is a Whitetail .504 that can be had for about $275. If interested email me [email protected].

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As mentioned by saotloader the .451 is a .45 cal.and he .504 is a .50 cal. but they use slightly oversize conical bullets which are a little more difficult to find but available.

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Sabotloader: Where are you getting the information that the White Rifle Company has closed? I just talked with a representative today that says it is not closed. I know they are not very active in production at this time but according to him they have not closed the doors. I dialed the following number 1-877-684-4867 and got someone. As of a couple of weeks ago they also told me that they had a few 91's left at $350. I am not sure that still holds but it is worth a call if someone wants one. I bought some bullets at the time I talked with them about the 91's and they really look like nice bullets. Have not had a chance to shoot them yet. I keep hoping that the company can survive as the rifles are definately very special.

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Super 91 -II, Super 91, Model 97 Whitetail, Model 98, even the G series. All of them are excellent rifles. There is some difference between each of them but normally they are all good shooters. There are also White shotguns, and the Lightening... :D, The Bison, The Whitetail which are the G series with only 1 locking lug instead of two like the other models.

There are the 22" barrel models and then you can get them with longer barrels like the Ultra Mag which is a Model 97 that I shoot....

Great rifles.

and there are some 91's for $350.00 :):):)

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MLKeith

It is pretty common knowledge that White Rifles is done. There might still be some activity but scraping the bone. Two weeks ago the server was down, couldn't be found- but todayit is online. I beleive it is pretty much hit and miss.

The last time I talked toDoc I do not think he was very happy with the companyend. There is no production now and parts are becoming very difficult to get as there is a very limited supply. Over on DWB's a bunch of private people are trying to put together an order for triggers - there is just none to be had. Doc himself might have the biggest supply of random parts at his house. Stocks are unavailable. For all intents and purposes White Rifles is out of business... Doc him self I beleive is the eternal optimist he still beleives and I would be the first person to hope he is right. I woud almost be that doc has more rifles at his than White Rifles does at ther end.

Check with Tom Lodge, Sunrise Archery- Keaau, Hawaii - he can give you the straight picture or PM Underclocked he is very close to the situation.

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Who made the barrels for the White's? They do, from all testimony and targets I've seen, appear to be some tack drivin' machines.

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yeoman

Clerke and Wilson

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What I like about the White Rifles is they are conical masters. Granted mine likes one powder over another but you can shoot these big conicals and do not have to swab the bore. They load with two fingers is all, no short starter needed. When you run the ballistics on the big conicals their energy will really impress you.

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I have, and they do.

Cayugad - why the "2 wads" noted on your targets?

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I use very thin wads compared to the other White shooters. Many of them buy the 1/8th wads and just use one. I do the thinner wads in the event that one wad might shoot better then two. I have found the normally I get better accuracy with two of the 1/16tth thick wads I shoot. But you never know. Also I got them cheap at TOTW.

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I see.

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SL is correct about Wilson and Clerke barrels being the manufacturers forthe majority ofWhite rifles, but some early ones were Green River Rifle Works, some Douglas, some ?, then came the Wilsons, then the Clerkes, and just for a very few of the most recently made specimens - Criterion (make Weatherby barrels).

The barrels from the different vendors areslightly different so far as crowns, number of lands/grooves, and even barrel tolerance values. There are even a few rare piecesthat have 12-groove barrels. My preference is the Clerkes - the crown ismore a funnel shape and not so picky about initial alignmentas are the Wilsons withtheir recessed target crown(IMHO). The Ultra Mags all have Clerke barrels so far as I know.



Wilson left, Clerke right

The Wilsons have the advantage if comparing barrel to barrel dimensional consistency - but no apparent advantage accuracy-wise.

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Interesting. I spent a while last night looking for Wilson and Clerke. Clerke is in New Mexico, Clerke International, though I couldn't determine they make any MZ barrels today. Couldn't find Wilson at all. They come and they go.....

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They aren't really "muzzleloader" barrels - they are essentially centerfire barrels used in muzzleloaders. I think that is what accounts for the .410, .451, .504, and .540 caliber markings. They are bored and rifled as if for centerfire, example would be that a .451 White could be wearing the same barrel (with breechplug threads instead of a chamber)that might be used for a .458 Winchester in another life. :)

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http://www.blackpowderjournal.com/archives/vol3no1/articles/BPJ31-2.htm

link to an old article about a boar hunt with White G-series rifles. One participant in the hunt was "Gumby", the designer of the original G-series White. Pretty interesting read for White owners and those considering trying to obtain one.

23,000 psi. :D That was an extremely modest and ultra-conservative number - actually too much so. One only has to read the Browning test reports on an MTI model White 97 to be convinced those barrels willeasily handle FAR MORE pressure than was claimed in that article.

Goat Brother/Smurf/Gary ;) take note of the number of the figures in Table? 2. Might want to point that out to Doc. :D

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To all

UC is really being a bit modest here as he discusses barrel pressure on/in a White barrel, he has seen the pressure test results from from the Utah labs and knows the numbers, so when he says... 23,000 psi. :D That was an extremely modest and ultra-conservative number - actually too much so.He is being modest himself and I am sure he has had the same conversations with Doc as I have had about load pressure and what the White will handle and what it won't.

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While I suspect the White is one of the strongest rifles on the market.. no matter what is discussed behind closed doors among friends. Remember, no matter what make of rifle you shoot... follow the recommendations of the manufacturer found in the rifle's manual for safe levels of load recommendations and powder brands thatyour rifle is designed to handle. Combine that information with common sense and you should have a safe and wonderful shooting experience.

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That Browning test report is a good read. Talk about a tourture test.