Chap

The orange dot is a 6" dot. At 100 yards the front blade will cover most of the dot, and trying to set the dot on top of the blade is not all that easy to define where the edge of the dot is.

I actually have a much better 100 yard open sight target but I wasn't really planning on shooting a 100 because I couldn't get the to 50 yard target to come up where I wanted it.

While I agree with you 70 grains doesn't seem like a lot of powder, the velocity of the those 460's should be plenty. I will probably in the end move to 80 grains for the final hunting load. I am just trying to figure how to shoot grenades. 80 grains of 3f will drive that bullet @ 1500fps which for that size chunk of lead is moving on by most peoples measurements.

oldwun

I really like that rule - we will have to start that in our small hunting group. The group is so "dam" compeitive that will add incentive. I say the group is competitive, I want you to know that is the other3 guys, I am not that competitive of course.

Mike,

One shouldn't judge that load by the powder. That 460 NE gets more out of that 70 grains than a lighter bullet. In fact around 35% more energy than a 300 grain projectil. This is because it will develop more pressure, which elevates muzzle energy. Peak pressure is probably just a little less than 100 grains 2f 777 and 300 grain saboted bullet. So 70 grains will definitely work well for thumping.

I may be wrong, but I personally prefer the 460, with impact energy equal to a 300 grain bullet, for a number of reasons. Yes the energies are the same, but there is more momentum behind the 460, meaning it can penetrate deeper. Its slower velocity means that it will waste less energy at the surface and enter the vitals with more energy. Fast bullets do waste considerabe energy at the surface which is why we put jackets on the things, so they won't fly apart. Jackets do help to prevent fast movingbullets from flying apart, but they don't keep them from wasting a greater proportion of their energy at the surface. Had chap ran a 460 charged with 70 grains up that doe's anus, it (the 460 NE) would never have been recovered the way the 300 gold dot was. Would have gone right through her.

If you take an animal with this load, I think you will be very impressed with how it knocked the snot out of it and with so little powder.

Excellent rule, you raised him well oldwun. Congratulations to him on the doe. Chap gleason Va

That is another thread, no jumping threads allowed on forum, rule number 1.6.5.3 subparagraph 4.
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Now we have 460g Texas Heart Shots. Interesting that the 70g produced that much energy, but the bullet is huge. Wonder what the drop is at 100 yards with 50 yard sight in.
Chap

Definitely pertinant to this thread. You questioned his load for ability and its better than the load you chose for the Pennsyvania heart shot. I put in that context so that sabotloader would have confidence that his load could get the job done and that your doubts about that shouldn't concern him at all.

It makes sense that it produces more energy. Energy is directly dependent on the pressure curve. With 70 grains, there is more pressure with a 460 than 300.

As far as drop at a hundred yard, refer to the trajectory below. I know this isn't as flat as a 300 gold dot, but I know in terms of whacking the snot out of something, it will do better than the 300 gold dot charged with 100 grains of blackpowder (which is itself waymore than sufficient). As far as anus shots, you know I would never recommend it myself but who would I be to advise against it?

That right there is the best internet joke any of you will read in your lifetime!!!!!!!

Yes, I see the numbers Phil and how the bigger bullet with smaller charge has more energy than a 300g with a 100g charge, and holds it longer down range. Just made more sense to me to use a bigger load to get the bullet going. I am not a ballistics expert, it was counter intuitive to me. Thanks for your correction and pointing out the relevancy of it.
Chap Gleason VA

I never really liked the big bullets either untill i started shooting the tc maxi hunters and the great plains bullets, but i tell you, they really are nice, drop the charge down some and add a heavier bullet and you got the better deal going on. Sure it gets out there a little slower, how much slower? Who knows but im really liking the 385 GP bullets. 14 shots withou swabbed and getting 1" groups was pretty awesome. But i dont think i will ever use anything bigger than the 385's, 385 is pushing my buttons, i prefer the 350 grain maxi hunters due to easier loading but i'll struggle a little with the GP bullets if they offer me the best groups.

Sabotloader.. if you want to experiment, I get good accuracy with 85 grains of Triple Se7en 2f and the 500 grain conical. If you have a chance to throw that over your chronograph, I would be real interested in the fps.