I found my sweet load
 

I did a lot of testing and shooting today with the Omega. I found that the absolute best load for the gun is those 300's with 110 grains Pyrodex. I can shoot a 3.5 inch or better group every time with it. I tried all sorts of powder grains and don't think I'll find a better one. I might find a little more accurate bullet though.

I'm satisfied with my performance and the guns so I probably won't be wasting any more money on bullets or powder for a while. I tested the 110 grains and the 300 on deerlast yearand was more than satisfied so I think I'll use it this year out of the new gun.

What is the most accurate load you can find for your Omega's?

Cayugad, I know you have a Black Diamond. What's your best load in her?

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My Omega shoots real well with the 250 Shockwave ahead of 130 gr. of Pyrodex pellets. It also likes the 200 gr. Shockwave and 110 gr. of T7. Will shoot right at 2" consistently with either of these loads. My Black Diamonds seem to have the same barrel and like similar loads.

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outdoors, have you tried running a dollar bill between the stock and barrel? If it doesnt work, let me know and i can make some of those brass sheet shims i did for my winchester and cut to size and have you put them under your barrel lugs and see if it will float. I think i gained big accuracy from doing this with my rifle. But let me know, i got a bunch of it in my toolbox and if you get me some measurements i can cut some out and send them to you.

Jon

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I would be interested to see if the shims help with the Omega. Mine shoots pretty good but if makes it even more accurate I would be willing to try them.

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In my Black Diamond I shoot 110 grains of powder and a 250 Shockwave or a 375 gr Bufflo Bullet SSB if I want to hurt something.

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Oldwun, if you can take your stock off and measure what the dimentions are in the lug area, ican cut you out some and send them off to you free of charge. I think i can afford the 39cent stamp :D.

Same for you outdoorslover.

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I would be interested to know as well. I think I'll pass though. Thanks for offering. I prefer to leave it as it is.

Frontier Gander
 

I will try and get the measurements tomorrow and pass them on to u.

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By the way guys.I was shooting 100 yards.I forgot to mention that. It was funny because at 50 yards I couldn't shoot any better. I was shooting 100 grains there though. I think it made a difference.

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Yesterday I found out that brass measurement powder held-hand that is not accurate . I threw same amount of powder to see comparsion at my father's Redding weigh scale that it turned out 85.7 grain . I thought I shot well 1 to 2 inches group at 100 yard with 110 fff and 250 sw but I actually shot with 85.7 grain !! Im gonna to order redding weight scale and dont trust brass hand held measurementanymore i have to go back to range test sometime soon and start all over again .

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Outdoorslover, if you are shooting 3.5" at 100 and the same at 50 yards, that tells me You need to float the barrel. My x-150 used to be odd like that untill i used these shims and lifted it a tad. Go do the paper test and see what it will do. With these shims i used, theres no cutting or anything involved, just put the proper size hole in the shim and add one under teh front and rear lug, put it together and see if it will pass the paper test, if not, remove the barrel, add 1 more shim and so on. I used 3 shims but this brass shim im using is fairly thin. Im betting if you use these, you're going to get great accuracy. I went from 2" @ 100 down to 1" at 100 yards with that huge buick.. ahem, i mean with that huge bullet i am shooting. Heres a pic of my stock with the shims. I added a little rubber cement around the edges to hold them in place when i remove the barrel. Outdoors, if its a trust issue, point to someone in the board that you do trust and i can send it to them and then they can send to you. I honestly think these will help shrink your groups.

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Wisewood, the brass measure is 100 grains by volume, your father's scale is by weight. You want to use the volume measure.

Outdoorslover, you sound very happy and I for one am happy for you. I was thinking today (always dangerous) that I wish we had a way to decribe our target results other than group size. What was you MPI (mean point of impact at 100) and in which quadrant? How about at 50?

If you said I shot 6 rounds with this combination with 3.5" group, MPI of 4" in the Southeast quadrant, I'd get a much better visual of your success. And then if you said, you shot the same group size at 50, with an MPI of 2.5" in the Northeast quadrant, we might all learn more about these weapons.

I was just studying my two targets from the last two weekends out in the shop (after putting out a goose rig in the dark before the ground freezes, snow squalls now). I was shooting 270 Sabertooth, 80 RS at 100 both times, with 4X scope. 3 shots each time. The first target, group was 3.5", MPI of 4, Southeast. Second target group 2.3", MPI of 4, also Southeast. MPI's were 1" apart. At 50, this load printed a 3 shot group of 4", MPI 4.5", Northeast.

I'm feeling pretty confident that if I now move my scope UP 2", Left 3.5", I'm gonna have paydirt. I'll find out Sunday!

So give me the details!

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Yeoman , Thankfor replying . Which one you suggest most seroius MZ shooters use by volume or weight ? Am I actually shoot 85 or 110 grains ? I am confused

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Wisewood, when you hear "grains" in muzzleloder talk that means volume, which is what the brass measure gives you. The weight of the powder in grains is what your father's scale gives you. Leave the scale at home and use the brass measure. It's convienient and surprisingly accurate.

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WiseWood,Do be careful of the fact that maximums are set buy volume measure not buy weight, the only powder that is anywhere close to weight in a vplume measure is black powder.
ASK Roskoe, or Cayuqad orUnderclocked or what ever experianced person you chose, just do not load by weight with out understanding that weight limits are a lot lower than volume limits.Lee

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OK Guys. These are the links to the photos of the targets. I normally don't like to hassle with posting them but here they are. Just copy and paste. I don't remember which are which so I'll go into them and tell you.

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I can highlight your URL, hit Edit, Copy but where the heck am I supposed to paste it?

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In the address box

I think I screwed it up though. I might have to redue it. CRAP!!!!

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I hope your shooting is better than your picture posting :DJust kiddin.

All you have to do is copy the URL and hit the yellow button with the MOUNTAIN/SUN looking picture.

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OK I got it guys. Just use this part.It should work without a problem.


http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5985/huntingphotos005td7.th.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9132/huntingphotos001fm3.th.jpg

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3994/huntingphotos002xi2.th.jpg

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/332/huntingphotos004um3.th.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5985/huntingphotos005td7.th.jpg

RE: Frontier Gander
 

Gotcha .. It is good thing that i did not go further with load changingbetweengrain/ weight volume . Theremight be some confusion to beginners like me . I still keep a brass reading measurement > : )

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The first pic was at 100 yards with 100 grains Pyrodex. It was like a 5 inch group or something--not impressive.

The second pic was at 100 yards with 110 grains Pyrodex. It was a 3.5 inch group. Notice the shot in the bullseye;)

The third pic was at 100 yards with 110 grains of Pyrodex. It was a 3.5 inch group also. The bottom shot was actually with 100 grains of powder. I was testing something.

The fourth group was at 100 yards with 120 grains Pyrodex. It was not impressive--probably a 6 inch group.

The last one was a repeat of the first--my bad. I'll post the pic I wanted to post.

I do suck at posting pics[X(]

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http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3228/huntingphotospw3.th.jpg

Here's the one I wanted!!! This was at 50 yards with 100 grains pyrodex. It was a 3.5 inch group. I wonder if it would've been better with 110 grains.