i got out of this deal when i saw the # of guns needed to do this test

BTW: I shot ONE shot out of my rifle today @ 50 yards, 90 grains pyro rs,385 grain great plains bullet, Impact was 5" high, does that sound about right? its dead on at 100 yards, i was just wondering. And you ask me " why only one bullet?" ... Thats all i had left! lol. I need to buy a mold for the Maxi hunters but dont know where to get one. any info on that?? I also made a slight sight adjustment to the right, went an inch to far to the right, studied my sights and moved it back over to the left a hair and i think im going to be dead center the next go around.

I really wonder how many barrels are blown up by accidental double charging. I have seen many BP shooters loading their BP guns and the ramrod is not marked. I for one will not take it upon myself to test BP rifles. If the manufactor says 100 gr max that's good enough for me. I agree with cayaqad saying if u don't trust the gun do not buy it. I had a small archery shop for years. People would bring in bows and complain about them blowing up. Certain things will show whether the bow was dry fired or not. Matthews was my primary bow and they have a very good warranty. They fixed the bows knowing it was probably dry fired. What I am saying is we need to be careful and pay attention to what we are doing.

Sounds to me like someone violating their hush order to begin with. Or were they even involved with such litigation? How can you or I know. My feelings are that this person can not be trusted. I have a sense of what it ACTUALLY takes to blow up a rifle. If this individual were at fault, he could be found guilty of fraud if he mispresented the facts surrounding the accident. He would be violating the gag order anyway. This kind of source is not reliable. Reliable, is independent, with nothing to gain or lose, science.

Well its obvious Dave. Totally obvious. Dont get me wrong. I think you are entitled to your opinion and its fine to have opinions, everyone has one. Where I take issue is when your statements legitimize the heresay of others and the statements of safety arenot based on your own personal experience. In most every post on this issue yougo about, as many others do, legitimizing "having doubt"

This is why I want testing. I want to be able to relate the safety of not just BPI rifles, I would like to know the safety of T/Cs, Knights, Whites, NEF's. I don't trust any manufacturer or any person who is not refering to actually real world data on which is stronger, strongest, or safest. I want to know if aCVA with 100 grains 2f777 is safer than a Knight with 150 grains of loose 777 or an omega with 150 grains of loose RS. I thinkothers wouldlike to knowthis answer also.I would like to know what the burst pressures of each are. I wouldlike to thetensile strengths of the metals used to constructed thebarrels and their plugs. I would like to know thepeak pressures of the maximum recommendedloadsfor each rifle and how they relate to burst pressures. I just don't want or need to know how anyone feels about it or how they have been affected by all this hysteria. That isn't advice in my opinion, its gossip, and I get noisy about gossip, I just don't like it.

As far as giving advice on what to buy, you will notice I don't recommend any rifle. Yes I have commented on my levels of satisfaction arising from the rifles I have used, but I always say buy what you want. Why? Because a little over a year ago I bought a pedersoli brutus on clearance from Cabelas. A very pretty rifle I might add. But all this hysteria about "foreign barrels" had me unnerved.I logged on to a forum for advice. You wanta know what I got for advice, "Don't get it, you just can't trust it'll be safe", , ,"Get a sidekick, you will never regret it" I'd like to ring the necks of these folks now because, having owned a Sidekick (I payed $40 extra for), I would NEVER recommend it, never. Inline muzzleloading is supposed to be much better than that, and it is better than that,now that I own a better, much better rifle. But this time I bought what I wanted, not what someone else wanted.

People need facts, not feelings, gossip, heresay, or comments from folks getting rich suing manufacturers. I am totally behind and will participateto fund (ifreasonable)and support any scientific testing which gives good data that I can rely on to make informed decisions about where I personally will spend my money.

Cayugad,
When it comes to guns, I think we are all playing with explosives.

Oldwun,
I couldn't agree more with "we need to be careful and pay attention to what we are doing." That pretty much sums it all up.

Pglasgow

I can tell you and this will not help you or anyone else, but i have seen the paper work. it was 6 different pages.on the testing of the White Barrels by an idependent company. It truly was impressive for a BP/ML gun.

So cross the White off your list....

Well since it is done and public (?) some money could definitely be saved, could it not? How do I get my hands on the 6 different pages?

Pglasgow

Well, thats the point it is not public and no company is going to release their testing to the public. If the public knows the limit it makes the law suits that much easier... The companies use the testing to provide you the public safe operating instruction + build in a safety factor for errors that we make either on purpose or by accident, and we make some real loo-loos.

When i was dioing my research on the White a trusted friend supplied a copy to a trusted person that was not for everyone eyes... That sounds terrible, but I am somewhat bound by my word.

Cool, I wouldn't ask you break your word. I'm actually not interested in the testing results of Whites anyway. I can't buy a new one. So I really don't care and you arecorrect,it would be a waste of time.

Point is, I am willing to pay for safety, the proof is the pathetic Sidekick I was peddled as a safer alternative. Paid extra for it, gave up that beautiful walnut stock too. (Don't remind me). But I want to know what level of safety I'm buying. For example, I am not willing to pay $300 to go froma safety factor of say 4 to 4.2, unless there were features, quality,or warranty service I felt justified the extra cost.

Testing would show closely the design properties of each as each would represent a typical rifle. This is useful information. This leaves a person with only one worry if he understands the properties of the design. Is his personal rifle typical?

Well heres todays Only shot. 5 1/2" high @ 50yards and a little off to the right but i took care of that after i cleaned the rifle. I swear i cleaned this thing so good today, almost 2 hours worth for one shot . I also made a new shooting rest out of 2 big chunks of spruce logs and then a smaller one on top to get it on target when the barrel on the rest. Worked good too. Hopefully i can do more shooting in a couple weeks, if the stores ever restock bullets [:'(].

Hey FG, that's good enough for minute of elk at 50.