Ihave taken in every bit of advice you or anyone else has given me on here. Why does everyone bring up the swabbing issue? I HAVE started doing it, so you can no longer use it against me.

I was using APP by the way. I forgot to mention this but when I don't swab in 30 shots, it's with that stuff. Have you even tried it? It won't foul up the bore even as bad as Pyrodex. Once you recommended the Pyrodex, I had started swabbing regularly. You have no more reason to bring that up.

I still say you're just sore I gave up on the Apex and I thought you'd get over that when I told you where it was. How'd that go by the way? Did you ever call?

Yes, I did offer to bring you on with bow because I was experienced and good at it. I don't go around telling everyone they have problems with their shooting and need to get better. I offer suggestions. You have openly suggested in several cases that both me and several other people don't shoot as well as you. That is arrogance, I'm sorry to say. It's just like a competition to you, at least it seems. I was just trying to show you that some people don't have as much experience and skills as you. Some are better at other things and you aren't good at everything, just what you've had the most experience in.

Iwon't let you (or anyone) ruffle my feathers anymore. [:-]You can find some other way to find entertainment. I'm just egging you on.

Thank you sincerely for your advice and tutoring in the sport. It has helped me.

I'm gonna do some shooting tomorrow and will post pics of the targets. Look for them[:-]

For the record, the pics you posted of the targets at 50 yards are very good.I will let you know thatI can shoot that good at 50 yards. I'll show you tomorrow.

its not a compitition outdoors, i'd just like to try to help you with your shooting is all. I wish i would have brought in my target but damned if im going out it 13 degree weather! lol.

It's not a competition to me either. I meant nothing by the comment. I'd just like to prove thatI have taken your advice to heart.

I'm sorry ifI got to the point where I just wanted to prove you wrong. I shouldn't have gone there. You're a helpful and honest man.

I will still post those target pics tomorrow and you can give me any advice you want. It will be appreciated.

Have a good weekend!

no hardfeelings here either. Lets just stick to us helping you out with your shooting, exe. Cayugad mentioned a while back about a cheap rifle rest, a cardboard box with 2 V's cut in it so you can rest your rifle in them. You can give that a try and see how it works. Other than taking your time with accuratly lining up your sights " which im having a problem with by the way" to squeezing your trigger and not jerking it. But i think the cardboard rifle rest would be a great place to start.

Someone on heregave that advice to me a while back for sighting in my scope on my Omega and it worked PERFECTLY!!! It is definately a winner for a cheap and effective trick.

I'll have to try that sometime. I have a table I'm shooting off of right now and made a rest out of wood. It works pretty good butI thinkI could tighten up my groups if I had a better rest.

This is a great idea and would be very useful for sighting in and for isolating the accuracy of different loads. But don't forget that the cardboard box or bags aren't going to be their when you are hunting. It's good to get practice holding the rifle they way you will while hunting and resting the rifle the way you will while hunting. Knowing your precision in these situationsis also important.

this would be good cheap shooters rest.
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I find myself going back to my homemade sand bags for bench shooting. I simply use old pants orcoveralls legs, fill them with sand and tie wrap the ends. They maybe heavy to tote around but the certainly do the trick for me and the price is right!

A 4 shot group from my savage at 100 yards off the homemade bags.