old way's gone ?
11-29-2002, 10:23 PM
#11
Nontypical Buck
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RE: old way's gone ?
Why not force everyone to use smooth-bore muskets? Rifling is just WAY TOO MODERN and severly detracts from the real meaning of the primitive weapons season. On second though, forget firearms, let's force everyone to hunt with rocks and sharp sticks.
Let's not forget that they ALL load from the front, and the inline was invented in the 17th century. Sheesh!
Mike
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Let's not forget that they ALL load from the front, and the inline was invented in the 17th century. Sheesh!
Mike
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11-30-2002, 06:36 AM
#13
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RE: old way's gone ?
driftrider I wasn't taking nothing away from the inline's or the people that use them I was just curious if anyone out there still used the flintlock and I have a smooth bore and would love to use it but I dont want anything to happen to it because of the value.
11-30-2002, 05:59 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
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RE: old way's gone ?
I'm not saying that all weapons should be allowed during all seasons. What riles me up is when people start trying ban inline shooters from the muzzleloader seasons, and insist on making it an us vs. them argument. My only point is that a muzzleloader is a muzzleloader, and should be treated as such. I was just trying to illustrate the point by taking the primitive weapon controversy back another step or two. What is truly defined as primitive enough to be allowed?
My inline may look like a modern centerfire rifle, but it has all the limitations of any other muzzleloader. I have the same relatively short range, it's no more or less accurate, and while it might be somewhat less sensitive to improper loading, it's really no more reliable than a well maintained and properly loaded sidelock. I only get one shot just like a flintlock or sidelock percussion rifle too.
The resurrection of the inline has done a lot in my opinion to rekindle muzzleloading in general, which I think was a dying discipline before Tony Knight brought back the design. There are a lot of ex-shotgun hunters I know who are switched to muzzleloaders because their tired of opening day sounding like WWIII. I've only ever hunted with a muzzleloader because my dad switched over before I started hunting deer, so to go hunting with him I had to learn to use the proper weapon (a T/C Hawken, btw).
Was I being a little harsh? Yes. Was I attacking those who don't shoot inlines? No. Do I stand up and fight for those of us who choose to shoot inlines, and don't want to be treated like red-headed step children? You betcha!
Mike
Gun control means putting the second bullet through the same hole as the first- Ted Nugent
NRA Member
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin
My inline may look like a modern centerfire rifle, but it has all the limitations of any other muzzleloader. I have the same relatively short range, it's no more or less accurate, and while it might be somewhat less sensitive to improper loading, it's really no more reliable than a well maintained and properly loaded sidelock. I only get one shot just like a flintlock or sidelock percussion rifle too.
The resurrection of the inline has done a lot in my opinion to rekindle muzzleloading in general, which I think was a dying discipline before Tony Knight brought back the design. There are a lot of ex-shotgun hunters I know who are switched to muzzleloaders because their tired of opening day sounding like WWIII. I've only ever hunted with a muzzleloader because my dad switched over before I started hunting deer, so to go hunting with him I had to learn to use the proper weapon (a T/C Hawken, btw).
Was I being a little harsh? Yes. Was I attacking those who don't shoot inlines? No. Do I stand up and fight for those of us who choose to shoot inlines, and don't want to be treated like red-headed step children? You betcha!
Mike
Gun control means putting the second bullet through the same hole as the first- Ted Nugent
NRA Member
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin
11-30-2002, 07:15 PM
#16
Nontypical Buck
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RE: old way's gone ?
There's the difference between our two ways of thinking, too. In your state they break it down into a general muzzleloader season and so-called "primitive" muzzleloader season. Here in Iowa we just have two muzzleloader only seasons, early (resident only) and late. We are blessed in that we may use any legal muzzleloader during ANY gun season, so if I can't get a quotaed early season tag I can get a shotgun 1 or 2 tag and hunt with my muzzleloader then. What gets me is when people want to impose restrictive Colorado style regs on the muzzleloaders. Once again we're blessed in Iowa with few restrictions on what constitutes a legal muzzleloader. We just have to shoot .45 to .75 caliber single shot muzzleloading rifles or pistols. Cap-n-ball pistols are allowed, but only in the designated pistol-legal seasons.
Just to point out too, you mention pre-1840's technology, but like I said, the inline was designed in the 1600's but never caught on. Probably considered too progressive and not traditional enough then, eh?! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Mike
Gun control means putting the second bullet through the same hole as the first- Ted Nugent
NRA Member
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin
Just to point out too, you mention pre-1840's technology, but like I said, the inline was designed in the 1600's but never caught on. Probably considered too progressive and not traditional enough then, eh?! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Mike
Gun control means putting the second bullet through the same hole as the first- Ted Nugent
NRA Member
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin
