picked up a tc encore and omega today!
 

well like i said, i picked up a TC encore and omega today! I went to the store and asked to see the omega first. The first thing i noticed was that it didnt balance out well and when holding it to my shoulder, the rear was very light in my shoulder and liked to tip toward. Could use some weight in the rear. When putting it into the shooting posistion, the stock didnt have enough drop to suit me and had a hard time getting the sights into my eye. Drop breech was great and slick with a reassuring click when i pushed it back into place. Hammer was smooth but i felt it would be better off with a larger hammer to insure a safe pull back with gloves or cold hands. Trigger guard was to small for any kind of gloves, needs bigger trigger guard for us who hunt in the cold.Never dry fired it due to me not wanting to upset the employee. But i did lower the hammer a few times and seemed like this one had a good trigger. The stock for this gun wasnt very appealing, hollow and loud when tapping on it. Had a cheapietexture to it, like holding a plastic cup. It would need more drop in the stock to shoulder up to me and the trigger guard would have to be over sized for me to consider buying it. It also needs a pound or 2 in the rear of the stock to eliminate the issue with the rifle wanting to fall forward when its shouldered.

Encore:Right away i noticed was that it had a very very well balanced feel,the stock had a new and fun look to it. Barrel/ sights were the ones i like, nice and bright. Right as i shouldered it i knew there was a big problem. The stock was to short for me and did not offer a comfortable hold and was unable to line up the sights. Needs more drop to the stock and maybe 2" added to fit me right. The balance and weight was just right. The palm grip also wasnt comfortable and liked to bend my wrist at an odd angle. Again, hollow stock and noisey with a cheapie plastic feel. Break open action was as smooth as a prom queens inner thigh "shivers"and snapped shut tightly. I could not test the hammer or trigger due to it having a lock on it " like anyone would be dumb enough to rob a store with a ML'er"
The rifle would just not fit me at all. Which is why everyone looking into buying a muzzleloader needs to see the rifle in person and make sure it fits properly before buying. The cva optima also did not fit me due to the stock design.
Just because these3 rifles did not fit me, doesnt mean they will not fit you, Its very important that your shoulderany rifle in person in all hunting/shooting posistions and make sure it will fit your body and needs. But most importantly, the 2 things they could improve on the Omega for it to be a solid shooter is to add some weight to the rear of the stock so it balances out better and to add some drop to the stock. The prohunter for me would need a new design in the composit stock for it to fit me. Keep this in mind before purchasing any muzzleloader. Its worth a couple hour drive to a store that does carry the rifle to make sure the rifle actually fits you and that you like the balance of the rifle.

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Dang F.G., I thought you ACTUALLY BOUGHT both from the title. Don't you think that assessment is a little harsh?

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harsh? sometimes the truth is harsh! The guy trying to sell the gun said the same thing about the stocks! Im just complaining about the stock, the barrel/sights/drop breech were made nicely but the stock the the omega when shouldered, floated all over the place. the encore was horrible. Almost like trying to shoulder an SKS but with a shorter stock. I couldnt believe the stock on the encore though. Im not the first one to complain about it the guy says. He even had a hard time shouldering it.

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Pglasgow

Naw, he is just trying to justify his purchase. I would probably do the same thing going the other way. FG probably likes Chevy's also and everone knows Ford's are better... Arctic Cats are better than Yamahaulers too... I ken think of few more but should not waste the space

And since I have one can really disagree with his assessment of the Omega - butI can not argue the Encore cause I really do not know. But it should be remembered he was handling the bottom line stock in each case. I think it goes back to what you said each person should handle and shoulder each gun themselves - what feels good to one may not feel good to another.

I think I read some where the number one single selling Ml is the Omega - so there are a lot of people that would disagree.

But even I am hanging up the Omega for awhile and going to the White UMag. I really want to find an Apex at a vendor around here and see what they feels like... We just do not see them up here because the Omega and Apex + a lot of other fine ML's will not meet Ml requirements in any of the states in the Pacific Northwest.

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I shouldered the Z5 at Walmart. I though it was fine. One thing about cheeking for open sights, it really depends on where the rear sight is set. If the sight was set real low on the ramp, that may have been why it was so uncomfortable for you. Were I selling one without a scope attached, I would be sure to put the rear sight in a position that felt comfortable for me. Chances are, most would find the fit somewhat comfortable.

A rifle which comb is perfect for open sighting, is to low for a scope. Most designs compromise between the two so that neither scope user or open sight user find the comb drop unworkable.

I have to admit. My impression of the composite stock of the Z5 Omega was just like my Sidekick, soft pliable plastic with seemingly little "composite material" in it, and too light in its weight (for me). But that is my impression, many others I'm sure will disagree with me on that and I think every single Omega and Encore owner will disagree with the "junk" assessment you made.

I happen to think its the level of satisfaction that matters most. A person doesn't have to have the greatest, most expensive rifle. He just needs to have a healthy admiration of his rifle and in his own mind think "its great". Everyone is entitled to that satisfaction and it should not be denied or compromised by another's own personal opinion. I know you would agree with that.

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$711 is bottom line encore? wow i'd really hate to pay the higher end price for the "good" one and come up with the same problem. I like chevy trucks and the vette but other than that i like the 60s'-70 model buicks. Got bored with seeing every hotrod,streetrod with a common everyday Chevy. This is getting off the topic but i was at a car show and saw this beautiful 1929 buick 2 door sedan streetrod. Amazing paint and interior. look under the hood and what do we see? a $2000 chevy 454 crate motor. Im like why spend all that money and put a ****ty lookin motor. If it were me i'd have put a buick 425 bigblock with an original dual quad setup. Just amazes me at how people take shortcuts. If you never handled an Encore sabotloader, do so! You'll be agreeing with me that the stock is worthless. The omega is my hand didnt hold steady and plus the stock didnt have enough drop for me to see the sights comfortably. Both had SS barrels.

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i didnt say the rifles were junk i said the stocks were. Mainly on the encore. And you are right, i thought those stocks were plastic, it felt like a plastic cup. My old cva staghorns stock was a lot more sturdy. But good lord! $711 for a stock that will only work on a really short person?! The guy was maybe 5'7 and didnt like the encore at all.

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frontier gander

I thought i said the stock was the bottom line - the barreled action is standard - Was the Encore you handled a fluted barrel - or was was it even a ML. One of the Encores expense is that it doubles as a centerfire therefore has more standards applied to it's frame

Do not get me wrong cause I am not a TC freak - but they have to offer low line materials someplace to be able to compete with the imports, and there is nothing wrong with that either.

I guess one of the reason I have never been interested in the Encore - other than price is I hate the looks (shape) of the stock. It really looks awkward to me but a lot of people like it - to each their own...

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I think if you handle one,you will get a feel of what I was talking about regarding "composite material" in it. I think the reason the winchesters come in "white fleck" is because they wouldn't look good otherwise. I mean there is alot reinforcement material in the plastic and the white fleck over power the visual impression of it. I "feel" like its a sturdy stock.

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the encore was ss barrel/black stock. It was the same material that the omega had. It felt alot like a plastic cup, soft and really smooth. Like u could take your fingernail and really make a good cut with your nail. Shoulder an encore and u will know exactly what im talking about. OR better yet, go to walmart and pick up a redrider BB gun for a child. thats pretty much how it felt when you put it to your shoulder. As for the apex black fleck stock, you should see the cva elkhorn pglasgow, its black but with a bluish green fleck. That looks better than the black/white fleck. Another thing on both rifles i shook my head about. The trigger guard. or lack of it i should say. When im hunting i have to wear gloves because of the cold. You better plan on leaving your shooting glove off because its not going to fit in the trigger guard.

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frontier gander

My Omega came with a grey/black Laminate stock which is really nice, then i ordered a black synthectic stock off e-bay for hunting. I knew then and i know now the black synthetic is the low end of the TC stock line so I was not really expecting to much so it really did not bother me - it was really functional and it saved the wood stock from getting dinged up. But again I felt I knew what I was getting - bottom line.

In fact I even sent the stock into TC because one of the recoil lugs had a small fracture in it - they have replaced it and a new one is on the way - can not beat that with a big stick.

I am sure if I had a hankering for the Encore I could grow to like the stock, but again I have no interest. One of the reason that I retired the CVA Firebolt, which at the time was a CVA top line rifle, was the stock! it was terrible. It was soft and flexible just leaning it on a branch to shoot would change the POI as the stock pushed into the thin barrel. The stock was so soft just tightening the stock bolt the bolt would continue right through the stock. Lots of bedding and full floating the barrel did cure it all and it eventually became a very good shooter. I had another problem with the 300 grain bullet limit CVA put on the barrel with a 100 grains of powder. BUT I still have the gun so it wasn't that bad.

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never held the firebolt. but what do you expect for a 100-150 rifle. i expected alot better on a $700 rifle and was let down. You should check out the stock on the apex and the x-150's. these suckers are solid and sturdy. I bet you could easily split open someones head using this stock and a good solid hit lol. its impossible to get any movement out of them. Nice cheek piece to.

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If I ever run into a rifle thatevery one that handles that brand of rifle that tells me that rifle is the best they ever shouldered, I'd buy one without doubt. Unfortunately, I know that just is not going to happen. Everyone is not alike... thank goodness. Body structure often times dictates what feels good to one and bad to another.

Just because one person handles some Thompson Center rifles and then proclaims to the forum how terrible the stock felt is not a reason for someone else to not judge the same riflefor themselves. I am sure others have picked up the X-150, Apex, Genesis, Optima (I for one), Knight Disc, Encore, or some other brand and shouldered them and decided they just did not fit, did not like the sight plain, or they did not like the way the rifle pulled. That by no means should imply that everyone else shouldering them will have the same experience.

Its strange that two of the most sought after and best selling rifles on the muzzle loading market should cause such a negative reaction, but Frontier Gander is more then entitled to his opinion. And again, it is only HIS opinion he reports on. Consider his views and then judge the same rifle for yourself. Watch almost any black powder hunting program and they are holding usually a Encore, Omega, Pro Hunter or a Knight.

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I know this to be false, at least for the apex. If you twist hard enough, you can see the stock flex some, most of the flex originating in that part of the stock where the action drops through. It is very, IMO, sturdy though.

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frontier gander

At the time that i bought the Firebolt - I could only wish that itwas $100-$150 gun. Back then CVA was pretty proud of this new gun and its fancy feeling stock...

Times they do change...

I do not know who your dealer is but I think he is a bit high on the price if you are quoting $700 for a stainless/Black synthestic -T7'sguy has them for $570.41 and he really keeps up with the best buy places.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_440/products_id/33715

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it was not only my opinion but also the guy behind the counter and all the other people who have said the same. im 6'3 and this guy was 5'7. theres quite a bit of difference in size and he couldny shoulder it comfortably. He said everyone who has picked it up had the same issue and thats why its still sitting there. Its been there since sept. this year. Maybe even longer. Hey sabot, i forgot to answer one of your questions, no it was not a fluted barrel. And true, not all stocks are built for everyone, but ive held a lot of rifles and muzzleloaders and the encore was by far the worse ive ever held. i wasnt exactly happy with the sights either, they were nice and bright as they should be, but the rear dots were to far away and left a big black gap when u lined up the front sight with it. Almost like the williams sights i had on my tc renegade.

Pglasgow, i kind of figured there would be some play due to the drop breech. But i can not get any noticeable play out of the x-150s stock. The stock is one the best things i like about the Win. brand Mlerl The only thing i did not like and the 1 thing i will be replacing when i order my Apex, is the aluminum ramrod, they are to noisey in the field. Plus they hurt like a SOB when u accidently fire them off :D

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Actually, Mike, I don't know what you have against the appearance of the Encore. Went to the link and I am once again reminded of its unique appearance, alot like my contender pistol. I think she's pretty.

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Dang F.G., you've gotta stop saying things like that. I get to laughing and I can't stop.

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Pglasgow

I know cayugad thinks I'm nuts too... but that stock just doesn't look like a rifle stock.. I hate that big HUMP in the stock.. the lines are just not smooth. The first time I saw a stock like that was on the ol Buck-a-Wappa ( something like that I didn't like it then either) don't like thumbholes either... and the only good ice cream is vanilla... If God wanted all those other flavors - why is milk from the cow vanilla??? HAH! you don't see a cow giving chocolate, pink pine apple, or what ever the one that comes in three colors... vanilla rules

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Sabotloader.. I'd of thought you were nuts whether you liked the stock or not. Really, no kidding... :D:D:D

Personally I do not prefer the stock on an Encore, or Optima. They just don't appeal to me. Yet others consider them the best they ever held. Its all a matter of personal taste. Yet if someone wanted to give me one, I would not turn it down.

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I have to agree with you about milk, but ICE CREAM?, that's a whole nuther matter, ever try Blue Bunny Chocolate Almond Fudge? MMMM , but I like vanilla too.

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Well,
He does have the right to have an opinion and say what he wants about the Encore and Omega. But, he just made grossly overstated and in most people's opinion exagerated junk about two of the most highly rated muzzle loaders on the market. By doing that, which he is free to do, he lost credibility. In some folks book, probably all credibility.
It would be like visiting the Cadilac dealer and saying the cars are total junk because you don't like the feel of the fabric on the seats and then you drive away in your KKKKia.
All I know is that as you read these boards, and others, you hear many stories about people switching FROM CVA to T/C products. Don't hear allot of stories going back the other way.

OBTW, base price around here for a stainless w/ black composite stock is between 500 and 550. If your dealer is charging 700, not only does he not know what he is doing, he is ripping you off. The reason "thats why its still sitting there. Its been there since sept." is because the price is about 200 too high, not because people don't like the stock.
Hank

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A whole lot of somebodies like T/C Encore and Omegas. They outsell the Winchester Apex and X-150 around 100-1.

My Omega laminated wood stock is not a recoil-beater..... actually far-from it. It's very tame/very straight back with no side-to-side thrust.Same with the wood stocks I've shot on the Encore.

The real problem here lies with the thread starter (Frontier Gander) who has anagenda here to rip T/C Omegas & Encores.A real juvenile that actslike he's 12 years old.The stories he tells about T/C synthetic stocks are old& been heard here a thousand times. Doesn't seem to hurt their sales or popularitythou.


In the meantime, WinchesterMLs areslowly facing extinction.
Grow up Frontier Gander! You are now officially the Hunting.net Muzzleloader forum troll.

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i act like a12 year old for saying my thoughts about the high priced encore? whats so bad about expressing how i feel about the stock? Its a horribly designed stock. For me and my size it does not fit and from what the dealer told me, doesnt fit all that many who picked it up. The omega i really didnt have a problem with. Its just the stock didnt have the drop that i needed for it to fit me comfortably. It was just to light in the back and put to much weight on the front hand holding it. Like the sights were do-able but not for me. If you dont like my opinion thats fine. Im just speaking my thoughts on the 2 rifles. You guys hear of the store Big R? thats where they were. And i see that TC charges higher prices than buds gun shop by the way. And triple, dont take this thread as me putting down TC. Im not at all trying to do that, im just "voicing" my opinion on my first TC inline check out. But by far, the encore would not shoulder well at all. Even my traditions stock is about an 1 1/2" to short for me but i dont care, the groups it shoots makes up but it, but hell, i can shoulder it comfortably. My cva staghorn i had again but a little to short but cva sent it to me for free so i really cant complain. It was deff. a huge step up from the cva blazer! Hell Triple, you probably own more cva/tradition rifles than i do! I act like a 12 year old eh? You dont have much room to talk, if i act like a child, you sure like to play along. If you dont like seeing people voice their opinions, thats to bad. you voice yours.

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I just happen to own one of the poor stocked Encores and I love it. I am 6'1" and it fits me like a glove. I can hold that gun perfectly steady, and it shoots 3 shots groups under 1.5" with open sights. I have 2 buddys, one is 6'3" and one is 6'4" and both of them shoot it just fine as well. I must have gotten one of the "good" ones before the crappy ones rolled out of the factory.

To each their own.

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Triple i went ahead to edited my first posting about what i thought. I figured i'd do write my review in a randy wakeman way. More like a PG-13 Review.

Rammer, im not sure what was wrong with that stock but i took my jacket off and thought maybe it was the jacket getting the way. Shouldered in 4-5 times before i handed it back. The guy said maybe a thumb hole stock would do better but he didnt have any in stock. He had a total of 3 muzzleloaders there, black/ss omega/ camo/ss omega and the encore. They sold all the other muzzleloaders.

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Yea one of the most popular selling gunson the marketand prob about the most popular muzzleloader in the Omega both junk. Hell Cva must really be nuts since they just mimic the 2 of the most popular guns out there. Everyone has their own opinions but man you realize that this time your way off in left field all alone on this one. Most people will totally disagree with you, just go to a gun shop and ask them how many of these fly off the shelves.

Ive yet to have someone see my Encore, shoulder it and not fall in love with it. Im 6 4" 280lbs with a 32" draw and it fits me great.

Your post just seems to make sure you try to p#ss everyone off who ones the T/C's which is obviously most of us.

Where do you live, maybe we could see if the proof is in the puddin I'll be happy to put a friendly wager on my Encore out shooting that Winchester of yours.

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colorado.. can i shoot my traditions to? I love that one! Im not posting this to piss off TC owners. If you dont like what i have to say, thats to bad. This is what i experienced with TC today and wanted to post what i had to say about them. By the way, what kinda groups is your encore getting with open sights and not shooting off a bench? I do all my shooting in real type hunting situations. And thats how i sight in my rifles. The Encore did not fit me. Why does that make you guys so pissy? I hear other preach that you need to pick up the rifle and make sure it fits. I pick one up, tell you guys that it didnt fit me and you guys start crying? A lot of you are acting like the honda civic owner when i told him his car sounds like me in the bathroom after eating mexican.

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I have been browsing thhis forum for about 3 months lots of great info till
I read this post It made me register. I am presently looking at new muzzleloaders I own a Knight and a Nef sidekick with the .25 ACP conversion I have shot and will probably buy an Omega. This poster seems to bash T/C every chance he gets and really pushes those copy cat
spanish pipe bombs. You get what you pay for, spanish barrels are ticking time bombs. Just my opinion.

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spanish pipe bombs?!!! LMFAO! as you can see, its another randy wakeman follower! Hey go to greybeardoutdoors and you'll see 90% dislike randy wakeman. And exactly how am i putting down TC? i just didnt like the way the stocks didnt shoulder. They didnt work out for me. Now one thing i will admit to bashing on is TC's triggers. Now when u buy an omega with them advertising a 3 to 3.5 trigger pull and get one with a 6lb trigger pull and someone tells you to spend more money on getting it fixed. Thats where i throw in the flag.

This is simple. the stocks felt,looked/ handled cheap. and they did not line up for me when i put them to my shoulder. Other than the triggers, thats the only thing i think TC needs to get to work on. Giving their customers the product they expect.
Here's a pic of my spanish pipe bomb and my other ticking time bomb :D. lol i'll admit the "spanish pipe bomb" cracked me up.

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Well actually while I am a Thompson Center fan, owning a large number of them (some people claim too many).. I just personally do not like the Encore stock also. Nothing against the quality of the rifle because I have looked at them and they are one of the best built rifles I have handled. I just don't like the stock. Yet I think they are a nice looking rifle. I guess I am an enigma in my own right.

Just as I don't like the Optima. I am more of a straight stock kind of person like the Black Diamond XR, the CVA Staghorn, my Knights and most of all my White Rifle. I've shot the thumb hole models and handled them and while they are nice on the range, I would not want one for hunting. That is just my personal opinion and likes and dislikes. No intention of dissing any one's rifle or their favorite rifles. I fully understand Frontier Gander's post.. he simply does not like the stock design on the Encore. That to me would mean.. don't buy it. Thousands of other people do, so again its all personal opinion and nothing to get in a tiff about as I see it.

After all when someone asks advise of which rifle for them... we tell them, get to a store and handle them. Shoulder them. See which one fits you best. All Frontier Gander told me was he handled one and did not like it.

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The credibility meter is really pegging now. On the bottom end.

Makes very disparaging remarks about the quality of two of the most popular and best made guns on the market, when he gets some flak, softens his whine by changing his original comments. There's some cred there. His first comments were not just comments on how the gun fit him, they were overinflated, nonaccurate bashing of the quality of the firearm. When he gets corrected and confronted, Now creates something else to complain about. Just like a schoolyard bully or a troll.

There are two kinds of CVA owners. One is the guy that gets what he pays for and is happy with it.They are agood gun at a fair price. And his kind; Buys a CVA instead of a higher quality gun and tries to bring every other high end gun down to his level by bashing them. Rarely will you hear about a T/C owner bashing agains a CVA. You might hear one defending against a CVA owner bashing T/C though. Why is it that guys like this just have to bash T/C? I guess it is just envy.

Yup, a major troll and kia driver.

Hank

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I have read some of Randy Wakemans material I agree with some of it
and disagree on some of it by no means am I a RW follower but you can't deny all the injuries that the imported spanish guns have caused and will continue to cause suggesting to some one to try one without informing them about the problems they are having is idiotic in my opinion.

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thats another gun i can not shoot. The cva optima, its stock is to high and cuts deep into my cheek. Even my 30-30 marlin is no longer useable to me with open sights. I will admit however that my first words i chose were a bit over powering. they made it seem like i was bashing the quality when i was not. I was simply stating that the stock on the omega i looked at what cheap and did not offer me enough drop for fit me comfortably. The encore was just unusable. By the way, does TC or any other american made rifle give stats on their barrels like cva/bpi? i recall a conversation where they did not give the stats. My 2 most favorite so called *explosions waiting to happen" And show me an up to date injury with any cva/traditions/italian made firearm. RW simply talks about the cva apollo. In todays world, the news would be ALL OVER any company who's gun exploded.

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And I guess the Holocaust never happened either.

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heck yeah it did. my grandpa and grandma were held in those camps during ww2. They saw what went on. Find any new reports of any rifles exploding yet?

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frontier gander

I guess I was hoping that nobody or at least few would read your orginal postor even read your follow-ups if pglasgow and I pretty much ignored the subject and carried on another conversation.

On this forum I would like to and it has been in the past say we (I believe it is we) try very hard not to bash someone else's choice in guns. This has been a great open forum we are able to discuss old guns, new guns, good guns - not so good guns, but we try not to drag any through the trash.

As has been said you are entitiled to your opinion and I am allowed mine - but there must be a better way to present your argument than in the manner you have chosen. Your past track record may not be helping either on other occasions you have been very pointed to explain or exclaim your 150 as the best gun out there at the expense of others. I think everyone on here believes (and should) in their gun and their choice.
Some of us have been fortunate enough to use and shoot many different guns and we still have our own personal choices... I, like you,really dislike the size of the trigger guard on my Omega, but I knew that going in, and there are so many other positives about the gun they outweigh the negatives. I think you have made that descision about your 150 - while other see negatives you probably believe there are none.

Cayugad is probably the greatest diplomat on the forum he should be a politician but I know he has his beliefs that always do not jive with mine, but I certainly would not "trash" or what ever your terms were in you original post his thoughts.

But back to what i really wanted to ask... looking at your pictures of your 150 it really does look a lot like my Firebolt. Do you have one or two recoil lugs? Is the base inside your stock along the ram rod pretty much hollow? or has it been filled - mine has little pockets with dividers along the ram rod area. While I do not think my Firebolt came floated that is what I ended up doing because I could not keep equal pressure on the stock as the forearm was really pretty flexible... I really wish i had the gun here but it is in Kennewick. I would like to get some pics for you to compare. I am wondering if your stock might fit the Firebolt - think I will try to e-mail CVA and see what they say.

Contiued good luck with your 150

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Frontier gander
I agree with you on the T/C omega and encore. I hate the feel of both of those rifles. And as far as the barrel exploding thing, If it is true then cva, winchester, and traditions wouldhave beenout of busness a long time ago.

RE: picked up a tc encore and omega today!
 

i never said my x150 can out shoot anything. what i have said is that unlike the omega, my x-150 has shot everything from ballets to great plains bullets to cheap shots with very good accuracy. Has 2 lugs, solid stock from the palm grip back. As for my accuracy reducing while shooting, no i have not had that happen. The last time i shot it i blew out 12 great plains bullets without swabbing or taking a break. And exactly, you are entitled to your opinion as am i. I hold no grudges against anyone here that has responded. Everyone has made reviews on other brands and when i make a review on the most beloved muzzleloader that has no up's or downs, i get the mob on my ass. And my updated and more charming review is what i felt when i looked at the 2 guns. You choose the rifle that fits you. If it doesnt fit, no biggy, just move on down the line and find one that fits. My main point of posting this was the shock i felt when i shouldered the Encore. Ive owned TC, good guns i have no complains about the one i used to own. Im very satisfied with my rifles. They may not be the top brand or the best shooting but they are doing what an expensive muzzleloader can do. Havnt missed any deer in the 3 years ive owned the x-150, no misfires. Now just to show that my winchester isnt perfect i had 2 flaws with it. #1 the supplied gun strap hurt my shoulder and #2 the sights that came on it were not bright enough and that honestly is the only issues ive had with the rifle. I just finished floating the barrel on my x-150 so hopefully i will see improved patterns. im going to use my standard 120 grain pyro rs load and 295 gn powerbelts and shoot, then up my bullet to 348 grain. As for the traditions, its down. No complaints about that. But seriously guys, i did come off harsh on my first posting and i admit that. look at the post again and u will see my true feelings for it. I like the look of the encore stock but it does me no good.
Sabot heres a pic, i think your firebolt will drop in. The stock is heavy but its great when u have to take a long shot. very steady and easy to hold.

RE: picked up a tc encore and omega today!
 

frontier gander

Thanks! That is the same as mine, well it looks the same. I thinkI will have to get one of them. My stock is very light - gosh that would make a ton ofdiffence in the Firebolt... talking to CVA onMonday...

mike