Muzzleloader Velocities
#11
RE: Muzzleloader Velocities
ORIGINAL: Soilarch
Guys I know this is a really basic question but what are typical mzl velocities. One would think that it would be easy to "google" but I've not come up with anything other than stuff talking about "at muzzleloader velocities" and its pretty vague. SOOO....If any of you have chrono-ed your loads could you please tell me what you're getting. I know that the guy using 85gr and a roundball isn't going to be anywhere near the Knight shooter with 150gr pyrodex and a 300gr sabot. But I'd like to get a feel for exactly how these things stack up with pistol-cartridge carbines and shotgun slugs. (Again, I know all three are completely seperate animals...I'm just trying to get an idea) I mean, are we talking about 300gr @1200fps or 250gr and 1800fps or what? Velocities place an immense role in terminal ballistics and without knowing "V" you're just fumbling around in the dark.
Thanks for takin' the time.
Guys I know this is a really basic question but what are typical mzl velocities. One would think that it would be easy to "google" but I've not come up with anything other than stuff talking about "at muzzleloader velocities" and its pretty vague. SOOO....If any of you have chrono-ed your loads could you please tell me what you're getting. I know that the guy using 85gr and a roundball isn't going to be anywhere near the Knight shooter with 150gr pyrodex and a 300gr sabot. But I'd like to get a feel for exactly how these things stack up with pistol-cartridge carbines and shotgun slugs. (Again, I know all three are completely seperate animals...I'm just trying to get an idea) I mean, are we talking about 300gr @1200fps or 250gr and 1800fps or what? Velocities place an immense role in terminal ballistics and without knowing "V" you're just fumbling around in the dark.
Thanks for takin' the time.
For example, I am using a .73 cal flintlock this year which shoots a 597.5 grain, .735" ball at 1500 FPS MV. The energy of this load at the muzzle is a mere 3000 ft/lb. Yet the killing power of such a ball is wayout of proportion to its' size.....
#12
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: monroe mi USA
Posts: 33
RE: Muzzleloader Velocities
ORIGINAL: Catus Magnus
What is the benefit of this $1600 rifle, in the deer woods?
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#14
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5
RE: Muzzleloader Velocities
I have many different types and brands of muzzleloaders including a Savage. This is one of the most impressive firearms I have shot. It will shoot a 300SST @ 2500+FPS and not kick your ass. It shoots BP and smokeless equally well. Because of it's smokeless ability it is the most versatile muzzleloader I own. There are people that shoot at even higher velocities than whatI stated but the recoil becomes brutal(i am not a big guy)
#16
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 68
RE: Muzzleloader Velocities
ORIGINAL: Catus Magnus
What is the benefit of this $1600 rifle, in the deer woods?
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#17
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Western OK
Posts: 856
RE: Muzzleloader Velocities
Right on, Magnum Man. The CVA Staghorn thatI bought at Wal-Mart is the old two piece barrel model that is limited to 100 grains of powder. It will shoot1 inch groups at 100 yards. Killed a lot of boars and deer with it. Put a 250 grain SST through both shoulders of a 350 pound boar with it. I now have a Thompson Center Encore and another CVA but I like that old Staghorn because it is light and shoots so well.
#18
RE: Muzzleloader Velocities
ORIGINAL: Doe Dumper
How bout the velocities out of something like the Savage with smokeless powder. Anybody chrono'd one of those?
How bout the velocities out of something like the Savage with smokeless powder. Anybody chrono'd one of those?
FYI, a group fired from my savage @100 yards: #1 is out of clean bore(fouler), 2,3,4 the group and #5 is the final adjustment for what I want for my whitetail spot (switched gears from mulies). 10 minutes cool down before loading/shooting, no swabbing in between.
#19
RE: Muzzleloader Velocities
What I wonder is why do you concern yourself with what the other person chooses to hunt with. If you're satisfied with a CVA Staghorn Magnum or if your choice is something top of the line like the Ultra Mag, what difference does it make. This is the same old argument the traditional muzzleloader hunters use when they feel anyone using an inline is not playing fair. Well I am not out there to play, I am not competing, and I could give a good hoot what you are hunting with. As long as you're legal and satisfied with the weapon, the powder, the projectile and the kind of hunt YOU are having, that's all that is important to me. If a $1500.00 rifle suites your hunting desires, use it. If a flintlock or something else is your thing, so be it. Just enjoy the opportunity to hunt.
#20
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: monroe mi USA
Posts: 33
RE: Muzzleloader Velocities
Thank you Cayuqad, I don't want to go into why I choose the Ultimate, and I agree with you 100% shoot what ever you want and don't put anyone down for what they use. It's all personal preference on what you want to hunt with. Hell, hunt with spears for all I care.