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I just bought the hogdon triple se7en (FFG). And was wondering how does it stack up to the American Pioneer or other brands in shooting cababilities?

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Tripple Seven shoots great in some rifles. It makes a bad crud ring in some just above the powder column and restricts the ability of loading a second shot until the crud ring is removed. In some rifles a wet patch will remove it and in some it requires a brass brush and then several wet patches. You will just have to try it. It does have a little more energy in short barrels as the pressure rise rate is higher than the ascorbic acid based powders like APP, Goex Pinnacle, and Black Mag'3. In longer barrels I prefer Black Mag'3. My Omega hates Tripple Seven and performs great with Black Mag'3.

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If all you are concerned about it's shooting capabilities-only, then 777 is more powerful & releases more energy than all other blackpowder subs - all the blackpowders in FF. In tests done by top-score blackpowder magazines and two book authors over the years, Swiss Blackpowder, Schuetzen Blackpowder and Pyrodex have shown to be a tad more accurate overall.

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When I started looking for a load in my new muzzleloader this I bought a pound of pyrodex and 777 powder form, well in my gun 777 left a minor crud ring but nothing that effected the loading and the cleaning was a breeze 2 wet patches and the crud ring was gone and that was 9shots without swabbing(just testing). But when it came to the pyrodex after a few shots the barrel was dirty to the point where it was hard to load and I found cleaning to be way more of a chore than enjoyment. This was the case in my rifle every rifle is differnent(that's what I hear anyways). Both shoot good groups but like said above 777 is more powerful than pyrodex. I don't know a app yet we just got in here a month ago so when my pound of 777 is done I will try the app well JS Gold.

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APP/Shockeys Gold/Goex Pinnacle... all out of the same womb.;)

For inline testing, buy the FF.
For sidelock testing, buy the FFF and say a prayer you get instantaneous ignition because both grain sizes are very large&most powderflasks will not pour that stuff out -- thus the lack of sufficient powder granules under your nipple sometimes.

MyOmega loved the APP. I can hear it in my gun safecrying for it every night.:D I won't feed it the APP anymore because I want (1) powder manufacturer and grain size for all my MLs from 45-58 caliber.

777 powder doesexactly that!:)

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[quote]ORIGINAL: Triple Se7en

How do you get the Omega to shoot 777 without the "Crud Ring from Hell"? Mine must be the worst one ever made by T/C as it just will not shoot 777 without a severe ring. Most Omegas seem to love the ascorbic acid based powders. Mine loves Black Mag'3. I wonder if it is the breechplug design or the actual barrel dimensions. I have tried all the normal fixes and now have some Tripple Seven primers to try. The 25ACP conversion was the best fix with only a mild ring although it does not allow a second shot without swabing the bore.

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No oils or lubes in the bore
FFF powder instead of FF
Winchester Triple Se7en primers
Forceful-compacted loose powder seating
Black nylon brush bore-swabbing with 91% alky/plain blue Windex 50-50 mix
Heavy bullets and sub-100 grain powder charges
Swab with wet patch every 2nd shot

That's what seems to be the best ticket tocombat the crud ring.
I sincerely believe that T/C Inc doesn't even know why you have a severe case of it. They are shopping for answers to this day -- even read & use some of the suggestions we post on boards like this one.

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Thanks taht is great! Because the matter of the fact is that im shooting a T/C.

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The good news is anything including plain water can be used to swab with Triple Se7en. At the range I use good old #13 T/C cleaner and it works fine. So does alchohol patches and Hoppie's. It's good stuff once you get use to it but it ain't real BP:D

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For better or worse, when I go hunting, Ialways unscrew the nipple after loading my powder/bullet and pour afew granules of powder into the cavity under the nipple. Never had a problem and never had a hang fire in the woods. Ok or not safe?

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txhunter58

You should be fine if your sidelocks are not of the drum variety.

Once in a while, try to do a wiggle with your nipple to check for slop. Also inspect the nipple threads -- or better-yet... change the nipple periodically - if you continue this priming underneath the nipplepractice.

It defintely adds pressure at that junction. Doing it with a sidelock that doesn't have the drum helps. I've known of a few blown drums in my days reading messageboard replies. Some cases have produced some nasty burns. One guy said he was picking powder granules out of his skin formonths.

Ouchee-Wowchee![:-]

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You probably have seen my similar posts before. I think I probably have the worst case of crud ring that you can get. I have done all the standard fixes as well as using all three breechplugs that T/C makes for the Omega/Encorerifles. I also have the .25ACP plug. FFF Tripple Seven is difficult to find around here. Everyone carries FF. I think I saw one bottle of FFF somewhere and probably should have bought it but at the time was so upset with the performance of 777 that I was not very interested. It just bothers me that some seem to have little problem and yet I can't get the stuff to work. Maybe it will work in my NEF Huntsman. Just picked one up used at a good price. I don't oil the bore and recently started using Ballistol which seems to have less conflict with BP or substitutes. I always clean the bore well before shooting and finish with alcohol. I had used #13 patches but they didn't impress me and have settled on making my own with the alcohol/windex mix (windex without amonia).

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Where did the powder granules come from? Wouldn't they burn up?

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1)Granules came from the ML
2)Not all ignite.

Out shooting when it's 0-30 degrees and precipitation abound?
Check the snow in front of your muzzle for proof after firing.

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What do you mean by the "drum variety". FYI, I shoot a 54 cal T/C renegade.

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Doesn't apply to yours or mine T/C Renegades.

It is commonly found on Traditions and CVA sidelocks.