Ballistic Chart 45/250gr. Shockwave
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Ballistic Chart 45/250gr. Shockwave
Ran a quick chart this as requested...
I use 1860 as the velocity - 110 grains of T7-2f loose. The request was for 150 grains - pellets. I do not shoot pellets so I do not have a definitive velocity, but 1860 should be in the area
Chart was computed using these facts:
1. Scope mount - sight height 1.75"
2. Elevation 4000 ft.
3. Temp 50
4. BC of the bullet estimated @ .250 (might be a bit high)
Hope this is useful to someone...
mike
I use 1860 as the velocity - 110 grains of T7-2f loose. The request was for 150 grains - pellets. I do not shoot pellets so I do not have a definitive velocity, but 1860 should be in the area
Chart was computed using these facts:
1. Scope mount - sight height 1.75"
2. Elevation 4000 ft.
3. Temp 50
4. BC of the bullet estimated @ .250 (might be a bit high)
Hope this is useful to someone...
mike
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RE: Ballistic Chart 45/250gr. Shockwave
ORIGINAL: sabotloader
4. BC of the bullet estimated @ .250 (might be a bit high)
4. BC of the bullet estimated @ .250 (might be a bit high)
If I had a friend with a chrony, then we could get better data. Randy Wakeman did some of his own testing, chrony to chrony for 100 yard B.C.'s.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/bc_not_exist.htm
Where he said:
Actual 100 yard BC's as tested pushed by 100 grains T 7:
[ul][*]Precision Rifle QT 215 gr. = .174, PUBLISHED BC = .319[*]Precision Rifle Dead Center 200 gr. = .176, PUBLISHED BC = .300[*]Precision Rifle Dead Center 220 gr. = .192, PUBLISHED BC = .325[*]Precision Rifle Dead Center 240 gr. = .211, PUBLISHED BC = .351[*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .210 (by Hornady)[*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .240 (by T/C--same bullet!)[*]Hornady 300 gr. SST = .226, PUBLISHED BC = .250
[ul][*]Precision Rifle QT 215 gr. = .174, PUBLISHED BC = .319[*]Precision Rifle Dead Center 200 gr. = .176, PUBLISHED BC = .300[*]Precision Rifle Dead Center 220 gr. = .192, PUBLISHED BC = .325[*]Precision Rifle Dead Center 240 gr. = .211, PUBLISHED BC = .351[*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .210 (by Hornady)[*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .240 (by T/C--same bullet!)[*]Hornady 300 gr. SST = .226, PUBLISHED BC = .250
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RE: Ballistic Chart 45/250gr. Shockwave
Pglasgow
Hard to believe they are actually that low --- 250 BC's... BC is based also on velocity I wonder what Randy was shooting... That's why Precision Rifle can get and advertise their BC's so high.
Big 6x6 does the best job testing BC's that I have seen. He has checked the SST/SW and I know he was over .200 but I can not remember what, I could e-mail him and ask him.
mike
Hard to believe they are actually that low --- 250 BC's... BC is based also on velocity I wonder what Randy was shooting... That's why Precision Rifle can get and advertise their BC's so high.
Big 6x6 does the best job testing BC's that I have seen. He has checked the SST/SW and I know he was over .200 but I can not remember what, I could e-mail him and ask him.
mike
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RE: Ballistic Chart 45/250gr. Shockwave
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Pglasgow
Hard to believe they are actually that low --- 250 BC's... BC is based also on velocity I wonder what Randy was shooting... That's why Precision Rifle can get and advertise their BC's so high.
Big 6x6 does the best job testing BC's that I have seen. He has checked the SST/SW and I know he was over .200 but I can not remember what, I could e-mail him and ask him.
mike
Pglasgow
Hard to believe they are actually that low --- 250 BC's... BC is based also on velocity I wonder what Randy was shooting... That's why Precision Rifle can get and advertise their BC's so high.
Big 6x6 does the best job testing BC's that I have seen. He has checked the SST/SW and I know he was over .200 but I can not remember what, I could e-mail him and ask him.
mike
http://www.prbullet.com/bal.htm
1. First we use a computer program that estimates the BC by describing the shape of the bullet. This is the same description that we give to the tool and die maker who makes our production tooling so the specs must be exact.
2. The second process we use is chronograph to chronograph velocity measurements. In order for this process to work, the first screens must be beyond the point where the sabot and bullet have separated and the bullets must be shot in a velocity range where the bullets do not deform in flight.
3. The third process is to shoot the bullets at distance to determine the actual drop. We generally shoot at 100, and 300 yards for this process.
2. The second process we use is chronograph to chronograph velocity measurements. In order for this process to work, the first screens must be beyond the point where the sabot and bullet have separated and the bullets must be shot in a velocity range where the bullets do not deform in flight.
3. The third process is to shoot the bullets at distance to determine the actual drop. We generally shoot at 100, and 300 yards for this process.
The BC that we publish is based on a velocity of 1500 fps with a media density of 1.184 gm/L. Just as in baseball, the tie always goes to the bullet. In other words, we use the number that is the highest from the three processes above.
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RE: Ballistic Chart 45/250gr. Shockwave
I believe we all know that the BC changes with the velicity,so different muzzle velicities will give different answers.
Just to add a bit with my old,old chrony and my Omega Z5 a winchester 209 and 125gr APP-FF I get a BC of .210 for a 250 SW. I don't have a program so I did it with a calulater. The way I try to check the answers is by shootin and seeing if the trajectory at 150yards matches my answers. Lee
Just to add a bit with my old,old chrony and my Omega Z5 a winchester 209 and 125gr APP-FF I get a BC of .210 for a 250 SW. I don't have a program so I did it with a calulater. The way I try to check the answers is by shootin and seeing if the trajectory at 150yards matches my answers. Lee
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RE: Ballistic Chart 45/250gr. Shockwave
ORIGINAL: lemoyne
I believe we all know that the BC changes with the velicity,so different muzzle velicities will give different answers.
Just to add a bit with my old,old chrony and my Omega Z5 a winchester 209 and 125gr APP-FF I get a BC of .210 for a 250 SW. I don't have a program so I did it with a calulater. The way I try to check the answers is by shootin and seeing if the trajectory at 150yards matches my answers. Lee
I believe we all know that the BC changes with the velicity,so different muzzle velicities will give different answers.
Just to add a bit with my old,old chrony and my Omega Z5 a winchester 209 and 125gr APP-FF I get a BC of .210 for a 250 SW. I don't have a program so I did it with a calulater. The way I try to check the answers is by shootin and seeing if the trajectory at 150yards matches my answers. Lee
In any event, a drop change of a little over 1/4 inch is a little difficult to observe at 150 yards and could be swamped simply by an incorrect estimate of sight height or being just one or two yards off on the range. You are an excellent shot and report the load consistent, so you may try putting the chrony in front of the target and getting an average 150 yard velocity. Then you can go here http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/calculations/bcv/bcv.htmlto calculate the BC. Just enter your avg muzzle velocity,your avg 150 yard velocity, and450 ft for the distance and it will calculate your B.C.
Phil
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RE: Ballistic Chart 45/250gr. Shockwave
I averaged 5 shot groups both for velicity and center of group location.
Since my group at 150 was 2.2 inches and vertical you are right about the .25 of an inch.
Also I am chicken to try and use the chrony @ more than 100yd its to easy to throw one.
Lee
Since my group at 150 was 2.2 inches and vertical you are right about the .25 of an inch.
Also I am chicken to try and use the chrony @ more than 100yd its to easy to throw one.
Lee
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RE: Ballistic Chart 45/250gr. Shockwave
ORIGINAL: Pglasgow
Actual 100 yard BC's as tested pushed by 100 grains T 7:
[ul][*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .210 (by Hornady)[*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .240 (by T/C--same bullet!)[*]Hornady 300 gr. SST = .226, PUBLISHED BC = .250
Actual 100 yard BC's as tested pushed by 100 grains T 7:
[ul][*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .210 (by Hornady)[*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .240 (by T/C--same bullet!)[*]Hornady 300 gr. SST = .226, PUBLISHED BC = .250
I'd get a second opinion. He doesn't like SST's.
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RE: Ballistic Chart 45/250gr. Shockwave
ORIGINAL: lemoyne
I averaged 5 shot groups both for velicity and center of group location.
Since my group at 150 was 2.2 inches and vertical you are right about the .25 of an inch.
Also I am chicken to try and use the chrony @ more than 100yd its to easy to throw one.
Lee
I averaged 5 shot groups both for velicity and center of group location.
Since my group at 150 was 2.2 inches and vertical you are right about the .25 of an inch.
Also I am chicken to try and use the chrony @ more than 100yd its to easy to throw one.
Lee
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RE: Ballistic Chart 45/250gr. Shockwave
ORIGINAL: Wolfhound76
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I'd get a second opinion. He doesn't like SST's.
ORIGINAL: Pglasgow
Actual 100 yard BC's as tested pushed by 100 grains T 7:
[ul][*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .210 (by Hornady)[*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .240 (by T/C--same bullet!)[*]Hornady 300 gr. SST = .226, PUBLISHED BC = .250
Actual 100 yard BC's as tested pushed by 100 grains T 7:
[ul][*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .210 (by Hornady)[*]Hornady 250 gr. SST = .184, PUBLISHED BC= .240 (by T/C--same bullet!)[*]Hornady 300 gr. SST = .226, PUBLISHED BC = .250
I'd get a second opinion. He doesn't like SST's.
Phil