I have a couple of Thompson Center Renegades. I also have a number of different Green Mountain Barrels that drop into the Renegade stock. One of the barrels is a Stainless Steel 1/28 twist 28" barrel.

I was told about a new sabot out there by Sabotloader. Some of us have seen them used in the 200 grain Shockwaves. They are a blue sabot made by MMP. So I purchased a couple bags of them through MMP and then ordered some 10mm or .40 caliber .400 diameter XTP's that weigh 200 grains. I was told that they shoot excellent out of fast twist barrels. Sabotloaderl said he had shot the XTP's with 110 grains of Triple Se7en 2f.

So today I took the rifle out and the new sabot/projectile combination. I loaded 100 grains of Triple Se7en 2f and from the 50 yard line off a single Caldwell shot bag bench rest took my first shot.





I was using CCI caps. Unfortunately these were not the magnum caps. I have a brother living in the big cities purchase CCI Magnum #11 caps for me and of course he got the wrong ones. So I have 1000 of the standard caps to shoot off. I actually got a slight hang fire with the first shot.

Without swabbing I loaded a second 100 grains charge and fired a second and third. Again, a slight hang fire could be detected. On the 4th shot, a definite hang fire occurred because I was about to bring the rifle off the bag to re-cap. (group #1)





I then swabbed the barrel clean and went into the house and got some RWS 1075 #11 caps. I upped the powder charge to 110 grains of Triple Se7en 2f and shot another three shot group. With the RWS caps there was no hang fire. (group #2)

While this might not be considered a "traditional" load, it sure would be a good hunting load. Very accurate, and with the powder charge and projectile combination it would be hard hitting. It should expand excellent, and I think if all things work good, I will give them a try this deer season for a day or two.

Awesome groups cayugad!

You know it seems the first shot often plugs the bulls eye. The other day I did that at one-hundred yards on the first shot. Made me dream of a ragged hole, but after four more shots, It was 5" in the vertical.[:'(]

Those .400 diameter XTP's must really be moving along with 110 grains of Triple Se7en 2f. I have no doubt that placed in the right spot on a deer they would do the trick. They were sure ringing the steel traps today when they hit...

Moving along indeed. What do you think, maybe 2250 fps or so? Would no doubt spoil the day of any deer.Seems we have too many choices and too few seasons. BTW. Got my leftover deer license today, so did both my brothers and my nephew. Yahoo!

According to Hornady the 40 cal 200 XTP has a performance range of 700-1200 fps. Even100 gr of FFG 777 seems a little much.

Does this mean that the projectile might splatter when it hits a deer for instance? I am guessing that this might be handgun ammo with a rating that low. So maybe this would not make a good hunting load?

Yeh, think about it there is a reason we don't use hollowpointed bullets in .308 rifles.

That is one reason why I like the Hornaday 265g flatpointed rounds in .44cal. Heck with magnum loads that thing will do havock to anything in North America.

I think it would be fine. Sure its faster than its designed for, but think about it like this. A round ball has no jacket at all and it holds together at 10 yards with a heavy load (close to the velocity of the XTP). The XTP has superior Sectional Density and should also pass through. At close range I suspect that the weight retention may suffer, but I think it would still perform its job well.

www.hornady.com/media/Handgun_Bullets.pdf

I don't know. Your guess is as good or better than mine. I'm just reporting what Hornady says. All I know for sure is that it would not be my first choice for a fast load. At the very least I'd expect it to lose the jacket.For a fast load I'd be more inclined to pick a bullet that weightwithout a hollowpoint or less of one.

That is exactly what I was saying. The flat point I was talking about was built for the .44mag shooting out of a carbine at 1400-1700fps.