I built a T/C Hawken 50 cal. was really nice shooting ML. Paid $135 fer the kit. Friend liked it enough to buy me a brand new Renegade 54 cal and trade me fer it. Then an ex sold my Renegade, since then i have gotten a Renegade 50 cal. great ML.

Someones liable to take you up on that offer someday.
Also own a Lyman GPR...has always shot good and has several deer to it's credit. Been a good one.

If this is the best you can do with that CVA, ya better keep your $500 in your pocket.

There will always be foks who just don't know/care aboutthe differences in quality/safety/warranty. They are the same folks who enter a new Ford dealership & tell the guy that's buying anExpedition that he's wasting his money& should of purchased an Escapeinstead.

Always Was -- Always Will Be!

I am another vote for people that think the Renegade more represents the Hawken than the Hawken it's self. T/C makes great arms and I wish they would make a true copy like Lyman does. I have my Renegade and Pennsylvannia rifle so I am happy but would love to see them make a true copy.

Say ain't that Hatchet Jack's rifle.......

I own numerous Thompson Center traditional rifles including Renegades and Hawkins. All of them are good shooting rifles. I have other brand Hawkins including Traditions, Lyman, and CVA they are also good shooters. The difference comes when you need service with one of the Traditions, CVA or other BPI rifles and they no longer produce that line of rifle. You will then start to see the meaning of customer service.

Good luck with your Hawkins search.

If this is the best you can do with that CVA, ya better keep your $500 in your pocket.
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If you own a flintlock that will shoot better patterns than a cheap $277 traditions kentucky, lets see. The shot thats high and to the left was due to a hang fire. The 2 shots about 4 1/2 inchs low were with only 80 grains powder. Everyone said to lower my charge and it will tighten the groups up.... It didnt work... So 110 grains is what im sticking with. And come on! shooting off the back of a 4 wheeler is like being in the woods and resting the rifle on a stury tree limb. I would like to set up a bench and shoot off that just to see what it would shoot. But damn, Everyone with a mind knows thats a damn good shot pattern with a flintlock, A lot of inlines cant do that. Look at all the posts on here,, oooh my omega shoots 3 1/2" patterns, what can i do to get it to tighten up? Blah blah blah. I think im doing pretty good considering ive only owned the rifle for 5 months and never shot a flintlock before. And i have owned a tc before. A tc renegade and to be honest, This Traditions out shoots it badly. It was a nicely built rifle tho, not much on looks but sturdy. Mainly bought this flintlock so i could join a local Rendezvous and have apre 1840 eracorrect rifle. But what flintlock do you have that shoots better patterns than my target skamaniac?

frontier gander - let me say, I personally think that is some fine shooting with an open sights, and aflintlock to boot, along withthe manner in which you describe your shooting conditions. The other day with my Green Mountain Barrel I had an incredible day of shooting and shot some excellent groups in my opinion. That does not mean I could go out and do it again today, although I would hope so.

There are rifles out there that could shoot better groups then that, and then I have a couple rifles that only dream of shooting groups like that. Also take into account your ability with the rifle because you have a lot to do with that as well. Stop giving the rifle all the credit. Most good shots I know are that way either from lots of hard work and practice or the occasional natural who just seems born to shoot.

Again, nice shooting.

Thats very true. Ive gotten a lot better about flinching when the hammer drops.Took some time to get used to that powderflash in my face. Now i want to practice doing some off hand shooting in different positions. I can hit a softballat 25 yards off hand but i need more practice with being able to steady the barrel off hand and shoot straight at 70-85 yards. I dont feel comfortable shooting the flintlock offhand at anything over 85 yards.Especially sense i will be using roundball this hunting season. Gotta place them carefully.But yeah, i agree withno gun being able to shoot a good pattern if the person holding itdoesnt have some sort of skill.