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this thing http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976723567.htmis the POS it's generally reputed to be? Takes round barrel CVA/Traditions bases.
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no.. and I do not intend to!
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believe it or not "DITTO" what cayugad said.... The Ultra Mag has already turned my world upside down... |
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Yeash!! They didn't even put flush srcews in the taps for a scope. That thing must be a POS as earlier stated. RIP 700ML[:@]
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Damn.....just plain ole Damn...anything else need to be said?
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ORIGINAL: txfireman Damn.....just plain ole Damn...anything else need to be said? |
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But arent the acclaimed Austin & Halleck rifles made in Spain. No one seems to complain about them. Sure they have fancy maple stocks to enhance their looks and their company is in Utah, but they are made in Spain(barrels by extrusion process). I think they are even stamped that still to this day. I have noticed another certain company uses this process and complaints are made about them all the time, but not good ole A&H rifles. The rest of the parts are probably made there as well and assembled here in the US if you could pry the information out of them. As for accuracy I have seen several Tradition Evolutions and other models shoot as good if not better than the A&H. My brother has a LD lightning stainless fluted that will shoot 3 shots in an 1 1/2" to 2" all day at 100 yards(scoped) with Traditions 250 gr. sabots. Sure this new so called Remington rifle may have not been the best idea in the world and I agree, but where is the cut off for the made in Spain thing. Made in Spain is made in Spain unless someone does a metal test on the different brands that are made in Spain to see if one is better than the other and can show the public the results. Does A&H have their own barrel making facility in Spain. i dont think so. They told me they found a supplier that met their needs and went with them when I spoke to them recently. They have to be coming from a company already set up there that has been doing this for a good while. Ummm maybe the same place Traditions gets their barrels from or perhaps CVA. Just my 2 cents.
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Sorry guys if it dosen't say Thompson Centerfire it ain't for me.
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ORIGINAL: AmericanPioneer But arent the acclaimed Austin & Halleck rifles made in Spain. No one seems to complain about them. Sure they have fancy maple stocks to enhance their looks and their company is in Utah, but they are made in Spain(barrels by extrusion process). I think they are even stamped that still to this day. I have noticed another certain company uses this process and complaints are made about them all the time, but not good ole A&H rifles. The rest of the parts are probably made there as well and assembled here in the US if you could pry the information out of them. As for accuracy I have seen several Tradition Evolutions and other models shoot as good if not better than the A&H. My brother has a LD lightning stainless fluted that will shoot 3 shots in an 1 1/2" to 2" all day at 100 yards(scoped) with Traditions 250 gr. sabots. Sure this new so called Remington rifle may have not been the best idea in the world and I agree, but where is the cut off for the made in Spain thing. Made in Spain is made in Spain unless someone does a metal test on the different brands that are made in Spain to see if one is better than the other and can show the public the results. Does A&H have their own barrel making facility in Spain. i dont think so. They told me they found a supplier that met their needs and went with them when I spoke to them recently. They have to be coming from a company already set up there that has been doing this for a good while. Ummm maybe the same place Traditions gets their barrels from or perhaps CVA. Just my 2 cents. Buy the Genesis thou. You seem to think they are the same. That way, you won't feel cheated. Same with the Revolution II by Knight. If you feel it's equal to the Omega, buy it. |
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Triple Se7en said: From recoil pad to muzzle, there is VERY LITTLE that's quality-similar between an A & H 420 fancy-stock and a plastic Remington Genesis. Buy the Genesis thou. You seem to think they are the same. That way, you won't feel cheated. Same with the Revolution II by Knight. If you feel it's equal to the Omega, buy it. You read things wrong or backwards or just cant comprehend english maybe. I said in the body I agreed about the Remington also, just not all things made in Spain should be labeled as unusable or a POS. Im not planning on buying one either and didnt say I was.Some of the most respected shooters in the muzzleloading forums have and use made in Spain rifles.Im sorry you dont like the Knight Revolution IIcompared to your Omega,but the world doesnt revolve around you does itMr. Triple Se7en. Nothing was even said in this post about the Knight Revolution II. You are bringing up something I asked a question about in another post.You are negative about everything that doesnt agree with your opinions or views or what you ownand you always make derogatory comments. Very bad taste on your part and you know it. Is anyone else seeing a pattern here? |
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In spite of most of what has been written in regards to the Genesis, I still think there is some hope for the stainless version to be a decent rifle. Those pics make that "blued" version look Parkerized and the receiver? section does NOT look painted as it did in earlier pics... but thatcould be just the lighting.
Can't say I really understand the use of a cross-bolt safety on a hammer gun. Guess Marlin could tell me (lawyers, yeah ah know). I could have a ball trying to find a scope mount arrangement that would work! :D;) |
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I'm not much of an inline guy but they are guns and I like guns so I read some of the threads about them. I've seen postings on other boards about the Remington and one thing seems to be missing, at least here, a report by someone who actually owns one and has shot it would be nice.
The gun might be pure junk, or a diamond in the rough but until I hear from some owners I'll reserve judgement. Doug |
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I think Remington took some steps backwards in developing this ML. That is so not like them, seems like some more time in R&D could have made this thing look more presentable. Who knows may shoot ok, I'm just not going to be the one to find out. They do such an outstanding job on their centerfires, I think I would have stayed with somthing along the lines of a M97 White like some of you have bought and put it in a Remington stock and offer all three ignition systems with it. Oh well, maybe they can do better
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For aesthetics I give it a -1500. What a butt-ugly gun..[:'(]
Could end up being one heck of a shooter, though... |
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The same Spanish firm that produces the Remington Genesis also produces a slightly altered flavor of the same rifle badged the Yukonfor Traditions. The swing block design itself is not new, 1800's in fact. However, one must wonder if this will be prove to actually improve anything or just be "different".
http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/eshop/10Browse.asp?Category=Muzzleloaders%3A+Yukon+Brop% 2DBreech+Action+%28In+Lines%29 For me personnally, I'll pass on the Genesis/Yukon as I don't care for the looks and ergonomics. Plus, I just can't see where the swing block is going to be all that and a bag of chips. Well see. Who knows, the thing just might end up being a quirky but reasonably priced tack driving wonderstick. Either way, I am at least glad that it's here as more ML's in the marketare a better thing. And some folks may like it and thats fine. Choice is good. I just wish that Remington would not have mothballed the Rem700ML. I love mine. I sort of expected more from Remington than the Genesis. Something more original and produced here in America would have been nice. M2C Tahquamenon |
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TQ
Very well written and I agree - thank you... It is really nice to have someone present a straight forward complete view. You could get my 700's from me, but I guess I did expect more, but I believe price is driving the whole market. |
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In any case, they are starting to show up at dealers https://www.sirmailorder.ca/show_prod.php?product_id=430262&cat_id=10& subcat_id=89&PHPSESSID=061e6190fe359ccf7962047 06b8d762c&PHPSESSID=061e6190fe359ccf796204706b 8d762c
My guess is we'll see them at about 1/2 to 2/3 of that price within a few months. |
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Wow UC, for $409?
Traditions Yukon/Genesis starts at: Displaying 1 through 3 of 3 products.(Click picture for an enlarged view.)  Yukon Drop-Breech Muzzleloaders The Yukon is the next generation of muzzleloading rifles! This new innovative design uses a Drop Breech Action which is so simple that even your brother-in-law can use it. Product Code: R4000 Our Price: $155.00  Yukon Drop-Breech with 3-9x32 Scope The Yukon is the next generation of muzzleloading rifles! This new innovative design uses a Drop Breech Action which is so simple that even your brother-in-law can use it. Product Code: R4000-S3 Our Price: $205.00  Yukon Drop-Breech Muzzleloaders The Yukon is the next generation of muzzleloading rifles! This new innovative design uses a Drop Breech Action which is so simple that even your brother-in-law can use it. Product Code: R4106 Our Price: $209.00 If I wanted one, I'd have to consider the Traditions version for half the price. [8D] |
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I may have flubbed up. (Now that's a first! [:-])
Looks like the Traditions Yukon breech "drops" down versus swinging out of the way.I swear to pete,the initial press release fromTraditions hadthe breech swung out of the way. They must have tweaked the design to drop the breech and let Remington have the "torch cam" breech or whatever they call it. Traditions is 24" barrel, Remington is 28". Either way, they are both made by the same firm in Spain. |
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Yep - I'm bettin about half that pricefor the rifle in a few months.....unless it proves tobe farmore than some have suggested. Nope, the Yukon has been a drop-thingy all the while. They've both kind of had my interest. I DO like the OLD concept of that "action" style and believe that, while the Spanish-made versions may be lacking, the "action" itself could be very workable. Sort of in line with the KISS principle for inlines. ;)
Don't see why that rotating block couldn't be made to just pivot to the side rather than up and in an arc that interferes with scopes. |
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