.429 sabots
 

I was wondering if you can push these sabots as hard as say a HPH24 black MMP sabot?

Reason I ask is I'm wanting to shoot the Swift A-frame and the options are either .44 or .45 cal. My gun is a Disc Elite.

I can buy the .429 in packs of 10 with sabots. Other option would be to buy a box of 50 count in the .45 and buy sabots.

Thanks.

RE: .429 sabots
 

cur_dog

Certainly if they are the new "polymere" plastic... if they are the old style of plastic you might need to use a sub-base to prevent blow-outs...

MMP does produce a HPH Green .429/.430 sabot and I am sure that Harvester's new green sabot is rated for 150 grains.

I think if you do the math you will find it is less expensive to purchase a box of bullets and a package of sabots.... but then if you are just experimenting it may be to your advantage to but the short package. I have opened boxes of all kinds of bullets sitting around from "experiments."
And I guess I should I have all kinds of packs of un-used sabots stuffed here and there also... Terry keeps hoping my interest in this thing called ML'ing will disappear, it would certainly help the household buget...

RE: .429 sabots
 

The A-frames would be coming from Midway and are on order so I would think the sabots would be current. The Noslers would be coming from them too. Was thinking about buying to packs of each. To bad the A-frames only come in .44 with sabots. I like the .45 better in general.

Do youhave any A-frames laying around? Nosler HG's? I'll buy them from you. Ihate tohave to spend 35 a box on the A-frame and Nosler's if they do not shoot well.

RE: .429 sabots
 

cur_dog

No A-Frames, but I know I have 44 cal Noslers - 250 grain a couple of boxes I think... 3 or four boxes of 44 cal XTP's 300 grain.. 300 grain SST's but they are 45 cal and some Barnes but I can not remember what...

RE: .429 sabots
 

God bless our wives . . . God bless them every one :D

Happy Hunting, Phil

RE: .429 sabots
 

Mike, sounds like you need to take a bullet inventory!

Do I have to bless ex wives? [8D]

RE: .429 sabots
 

Hey Mike, who makes the nosler sabots when you buy them in packs?
Do you know who make the Swift sabots?

RE: .429 sabots
 

I have never gotten the .429's to shoot as well as the .451's with any sabot. Some were acceptable, but none better than about 2.5" at 100 yards. Most 3 to 5 inches. Of course, I'm really only looking at loads in the 2,000 fps bracket. Maybe they shoot just as well with non magnum loads.

RE: .429 sabots
 

Hey Roskoe,

The more I think about it, the more i'm thinking about staying with the .451 - .452 bullets. I will probably get one pack of the .44 A-frames just to see.I called Swift earlier and they said the make their own sabots.
I asked about different formulation runs but they did hot have an answer.

RE: .429 sabots
 

cur_dog

today if you were to buy Noslers - you would be buying HPH-24's a couple of years back they would have been harvesters...

Swift - I think they really do there own but on the HPH-12 frame - they are a bear to get down...

RE: .429 sabots
 

I orded me 2 packs of the 265 swift bullets, total of 20 bullets. I was going to use MMP sabots with them so I can get a good baseline.

Do you shoot your ML with or without the ram rod in? I have been shooting mine without and plan on shooting without in the field. Damn thing keep scooting out everytime I look at the gun on the range and last year it feel out twice when i was hunting with the Encore.

RE: .429 sabots
 

No - be sure to take the ramrod out before you shoot it - unless you're making the transistion from archery to muzzleloading, then you can leave it in:D. Just kidding.
If you're talking about at the range, I leave mine out, since I put a T-handle on the end to make loading easier. But in the field, I always have it in. If yours is loose enough to slide out on its own, I'd make some modification to the thimble to make it fit a little tighter.

IM jaybe :)

RE: .429 sabots
 

Hey Jaybe,

Have you ever checked for a diff POI with the ram rod in or out? I have heard some guns it does not matter and others it makes a big diff. Makes sense that it would. Sounds like you shoot at the same distances I do at deer. All under 100 yards so it would not change to much.

RE: .429 sabots
 

No, but that's a good point. I'll try to remember that before I go a'hunting this year. I know that with my bow, it will simply NOT shoot arrows right with the quiver on. I suppose a ramrod might make a difference in a gun, too - though I doubt that it would be that much. I'll try it anyway - thanks.

RE: .429 sabots
 

I noticed my old Knight Disc rifle (which I sold a couple of years ago) would shoot a little higher with the rod in the stock than without. None of my T/C guns show any difference in point of impact, though. Another thing I do when hunting is put a couple of rubber bands made of a 1/4" wide strips of bicycle inner tube around the barrel and ramrod. Keeps it from rattling and holds it in better than the internal spring.

RE: .429 sabots
 

Roskoe

I always shoot with the ram rod in place... I do not use the gun rr when I am target practicing - I do use a range rod so it just remains in the gun... to provide a little more friction to the rod I put a wrap of electric tape around the rod. The wrap is placed where it will fit inside the upper timble and applys some friction at that point.... may take more than one wrap...