Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

I have a chance to buy a Remington 700 Muzzleloader, stainless barrel and black synthetic stock.

What has your experience been with this rifle ?

Any help will be appreciated.

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

idaho-bill

I own and shoot two of them in 50 cal., and I would trade or sell them for the world. So if the price were right and the gun is good i would get one. They do have their little problems and it is all related to blow-back into the bolt area - so you do have to clean the interior of the bolt as a part of yout cleaning regiment. The second thing the Remington 209 conversion is in my opinion not the best conversion - it gets really dirty and most times difficult to get the spent 209 out if you are using 209. But here in Idaho the only time you would be able to use a 209 is during regular rifle season.

They are accurate and will shoot about any combination of sabot/bullet you want to put down the barrel. The barrels are usually tight so you have to use the thinner sabots like the sabots designed for TC or MMP-HPH 24's.

I am in northern Idaho and I did use my Rem's during the regular rifle season for elk and deer (I just bought a new Omega so that will replace the 26" SS Rem for Elk season, but I will still use the 24" Rem for whitetails). When we get to our regular ML season I do switch to a side hammer. For elk I am shooting a .458 (45-70) 300 grain Nosler Partition in am MMP HPH .458 Orange sabot. It really is accurate and does pack a thump down range.

Any other questions - give a shout....

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

In addition to what Sabotloader said, you will definitelly need to protect your scope from ignition flash. My example was an early blued .50 caliber but was a very accurate rifle with a load of 90 grains of Pyro P and 400 grain PR Bullet Ultimate 1 conicals. The bolt cleaning can be a pain as it isn't exactly a quickly disassembled bolt.

You might check Kittery Trading Post's used guns section for price comparison on used rifles.

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

UC

In replying to UC's concern and he is correct especially shooting 209's it is not near as bad when shooting #11's - but I fashioned a weather shroud from 20 gauge shot gun shells..

Here is a pic of a copper one for a A&H and a plastic one for Remingtons...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/sabotloader/Wshouds2.jpg

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

sabotloader: I'm not real familiar with the Rem. ML, but does that weather shroud have to be manually plucked out the way to remove the spent primer, or does it come back with the bolt? Seems like that would really add to reloading time if it has to be removed and then replaced each time.

jaybe :)

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

jaybe

It is attached to the bolt... it pulls back out of the way with the bolt.

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

Accurate and reliable. Like said the bolt needs to disassembled for cleaning, the major issue or flaw if you will. Also the rem made 209 ignition is tempermental, so if equipped buy yourself a cabelas 209 conversion kit and never look back. Mine is equipped with this 209 and have not experienced one problem.

On range I fashioned a scope cover out of a old neoprene glove to protect the scope's bottom. In the field I don't worry b/cI haven't required a second shot, any residue left is easily wiped away IME.

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

I bought my first Remington 700 ML 54 cal in 2002. I love it and wouldn't trade it for any thing new on the market today and would never think of trading it for what Remington is about to release.
Yes the bolt needs to be cleaned very well after a shooting sestion, a small vice with amounted onmy reloading bench provides a hook to disassembly the bolt. A small metal pieace could work just as well. I never lube the bolt with oil only Remington dry lube.
To protect the scope from the blow by, I use a bit of 3M clear duck tape. I am planing on makeing a sheild like sabotloaders with a 1/4 vent hole to see how that does protecting the scope and letting the area vent. The factory shroud has a small hole I think about 1/16




I had a # 11 caps non fireing issues so I did switch to the Cabales 209 Kit, the best kit of the two on the market. I also found latter that same lot of caps didn't work very well with my T/C side hammer Plains rifle or Hawkins.



I like my 54 so well I wanted a 50 cal. I shopped a lot of gun shops and on the net for one. I found the used gun price for them was running in the $250 range on average. I bought a SS 50 with the #11 cap ig. and a bushnell 1.5 to 5 scope for $225. I like itjust as well as the 54 cal. I have found it don't like 80 gr trip 7 with MMP sabots and .430 hornaday HP XTP's so far.



Your going to have people tell you, you can buy a new ML riflefor this kind of money BUT they won't be a Remingtons either.

:) Al

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

idaho-billand All Others

One of the percieved problems with the Remington is the cleaning of the bolt. IMO it really is less difficult than the manual would lead you to believe. If you pruchase the Remington bolt disassembly tool you can extract the spring and pin assemblt from the bolt housing with very little effort while sitting in you easy chair. From there it is a normal cleaning process...re-assembly is just as easy.

http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/axx_tools.htm

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

Sabot loader-Do you want to buy mine? .50 cal blue/black,Cabela's 209 conversion.TC click adj fiberoptic sights,Timney trigger.Weaver medium bases. Shoots inside 1 inch at 100 yds with XTP .44/240. Only one small problem. It will not cock with the safe off,and when you release the safe-IT FIRES. I hung it up and bought an Omega. Local gunsmith says the bolt is worn and will not engage the trigger sear.Maybe someday I will get it fixed.No way I can get near the $$$'s I have invested.

Charlie

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

Chasam60

I really could not afford to buy it, but I would offer to fix it for you FREE if I understand the problem correctly and I guess i wouldn't until I saw it.

Your problem does sound like the classic problem a Remington "Waker" trigger displays - but since you have a Timney I would have see it. Did you install the Timney yourself? If you did was it pretty much a bolt in process or did you have to do some modifications? If it was a bolt/screw in process - I would, and I am only guessing from all the fooling around I have done with my Rems both ML & CF, It really would not be a problem to fix.

PM - Roskoe on this site - he is a Remington genius - he may be able to walk you through the process - but since he is a certified gun smith liabilty may not allow him...

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

I installed the Timney myself after the original trigger broke a piece inside.It was very simple,push out 2 pins,push in 2 pins.I shot it for about a year,and never adjusted it from factory setting. I was way back in the Adriondac Mts. when it failed during early MZ season. I went to pop a cap prior to loading,and it went off. The trigger will adj enough to engage the sear,but then it will not release.

Charlie

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

Do you mean the Timney isn't working correctly or is that how the original trigger failed?

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

The original trigger broke a small "L" shaped piece inside. It broke through the screw hole. Rather than have it fixed,I bought the Timney.

Charlie

RE: Remington 700 Muzzleloader
 

"Remington genius" ? [8D] I'm not really that smart. Remingtons have their little quirks, though. It is possible that the same issue that broke the "L" shaped piece in the original trigger is now causing the Timney to act up. There is a short pin that holds the cocking piece to the striker - it's inside the bolt shroud. Make sure this pin is still there and not sheared off. Roskoe.

I have a .54 Remington 700 and a TC Renegade .54 traditional, and have killed about an equal number of elk with each. The Remington is stainless and composite so it works well for the late November hunt. I use either TC Maxi-Ball or Powerbelts. We have to use an all lead bullet for muzzleloader hunts. I have used a Barnes MZ expander prior to the regulation change. Not that big of an issue to disassemble bolt for cleaning! Good gun.

This thread is an oldy... but it comes up in search results pretty high.. and it seems to lack the fix: Badger Ridge's sealed breech 209 conversion: http://www.badgerridgeind.com/store/p10/700ML_KIT

no kidding, this kit seals the breach, lets you use any black powder substitute (even blackhorn209). It just plain simple to use. No priming tools, no blown up primers and crap going all over the shooter. No more burnt scopes, and No more tearing down the bolt, and my rifle goes bang every time!

And a new system is available too and wont ever need a vent liner.

Smokelessmz aka ArrrowHead Sporting Goods has them.