I WAS SURPRISED?
#11
RE: I WAS SURPRISED?
To be clear, I'm not a 'purist'...don't have expensive custom guns that are supposed to be "period specific" and all that...but I do use TC Hawken Flintlocks, realBP, black English flints, and patched round balls...hunting has never in my life been as rewarding as it has beenfor the past four years...first Flintlock squirrel was about as big a deal as the first Flintlock buck!
#12
Giant Nontypical
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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RE: I WAS SURPRISED?
its hard to think that a VOLUME measure would be so close to being precise compared to powder scale on geox 2f.that was a SURPRISE too me.its hardto think that you pour in your powder in a MEASURE ,dump it in a scale pan, weight it and it is almost within tenths of gr.close to powder measure reading .that was a surprise to me, for sure.i expected to see like maybe 2 ,3 4 gr. diffference in my POWDER SCALE reading compared to powder measure.that never happened.
#13
RE: I WAS SURPRISED?
ORIGINAL: roundball
Not responding to anyone in particular, just babbling:
BP volume powder measures are designed/calibrated to throw the same actual weight of BP...ie: a 100grn measure of BP is 100grns weight of BP.
TheBP Subs are usually a different weight...they're designed PHYSICALLY to take up the same amount of volume even though 100grn measure of Pyrodex RS only weight 72 grns or something.
Energy wise, it still equals the 100grn thrown charge of Goex...I assume otheres like 777 will weigh differently toobut they're all benchmarked against a volume measurement.
Not responding to anyone in particular, just babbling:
BP volume powder measures are designed/calibrated to throw the same actual weight of BP...ie: a 100grn measure of BP is 100grns weight of BP.
TheBP Subs are usually a different weight...they're designed PHYSICALLY to take up the same amount of volume even though 100grn measure of Pyrodex RS only weight 72 grns or something.
Energy wise, it still equals the 100grn thrown charge of Goex...I assume otheres like 777 will weigh differently toobut they're all benchmarked against a volume measurement.
#15
RE: I WAS SURPRISED?
ORIGINAL: sproulman
cayugad, now that is interesting too, i learned something there.
cayugad, now that is interesting too, i learned something there.
#16
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Union City, Michigan
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RE: I WAS SURPRISED?
Here is data on weighed charges
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/LoadsBallistics2.html
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/LoadsBallistics2.html
#17
RE: I WAS SURPRISED?
ORIGINAL: bowbender6
Here is data on weighed charges
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/LoadsBallistics2.html
Here is data on weighed charges
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/LoadsBallistics2.html
#18
Join Date: Aug 2005
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RE: I WAS SURPRISED?
Cayugad, your scale was on the right setting. 1 gram = 15.5 grains so if the scale was on grams you would have got a reading of like 5-6g's when you put 70-90 grains on there. You would havenoticed a problem right away.
#19
RE: I WAS SURPRISED?
I think the data tables are reversed for FFFg vs FFg at this web site:
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/LoadsBallistics2.html
All my APP type powder FFFg wieghs Heavier than FFg.
I also tap my powder measure till it won't hold any more. My findings are:
Trip7 FFg
.80 x grains by volume = Trip7 FFg Actual Wieght
.80 x 80gbv = 64gaw
.80 x 100gbv = 80gaw
.80 x 120gbv = 96gaw
APP/Gold/Pinnacle FFFg
.92 x GBV = FFFg Actual Wieght
.92 x 80gbv = 73.6gaw
.92 x 100gbv = 92gaw
.92 x 120gbv = 110.4gaw
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/LoadsBallistics2.html
All my APP type powder FFFg wieghs Heavier than FFg.
I also tap my powder measure till it won't hold any more. My findings are:
Trip7 FFg
.80 x grains by volume = Trip7 FFg Actual Wieght
.80 x 80gbv = 64gaw
.80 x 100gbv = 80gaw
.80 x 120gbv = 96gaw
APP/Gold/Pinnacle FFFg
.92 x GBV = FFFg Actual Wieght
.92 x 80gbv = 73.6gaw
.92 x 100gbv = 92gaw
.92 x 120gbv = 110.4gaw
#20
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RE: I WAS SURPRISED?
i noticed under NOTE .it said that uncle mikes brass weighted a black powder 3f volume charge of 100 grs and it weighted 99.3 on the powder scale.i used my 35 year old THOMPSON/CENTER BRASS volume measure that goes from 50/120 grs. it was only .5 to 6 of a TENTH of a grain off from the volume measure.example, my 100 gr measured in the brass thompson was 100.5 in the powder scale. if i TAPPED the measure it was 101 gr with 2f.i was surprised it was not like 2 ,3.4 GRAINS diffferent than the powder measure. there is no reason to weight a charge ofGEOX 2F BLACKPOWDER USING THE THOMPSON BRASS VOLUME MEASURE.good articile, i learned.