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Aquatech - I couldn't help but notice that the date of your first post saying you were "looking to buy..." and the second one announcing the purchase were only 2 days apart, and there were only 2 posts in between. Something tells me you didn't need very much encouragement to buy that Omega! :D
Somebody tell me more about the "Crush Rib" sabots. Do they load as easily as Powerbelts?

IM jaybe :)

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jaybe

My experiance with "crush rib" sabots is limited to an A&H and one of my Remingtons. They do load easier than any sabot I have found with a .4525 Speer bullet packed inside.The regular sabots that I use the Nosler or MMP HPH-24 work really well for me in these tight bores, but from what I read the some of the Omegas are even tighter and really might need that "crush rib." I would love to experiment with an Omega 1st 2bd 3rd shots - but we do not see to many of them here in the Pacific Northwest because we can not shoot 209 primers during ML season.

Are you shooting an Omega?

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sabotloader - no, I have a New Frontier Beartooth purchased from Cabela's. The manual recommended PowerBelts, but I tried some other combo's before finally buying PB's. I could not believe the difference in loading them! Some of the other bullet/sabot combos had to be literally pounded down the barrel, and the PB's started with thumb pressure (no starter) and then just nicely slid down with enough pressure to make me feel sure that they wouldn't come off the load easily. I've heard some guys say they almost fall out the barrel, and I believe it.
I get good accuracy with them at 100 yds - the only thing is the negative press I hear about them coming apart. If those Crush Rib sabots and a XTP would load with moderate ease, I'd probably give them a try.
Actually, I have a box of 300 gr XTP's, and gave them to a guy who has a NEF Hunter (I think it's called). He gave them back saying he couldn't load them either.

IM Jaybe :)

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jaybe

And that is my point exactly - we switch to PB's because they ARE easy to load. Manufactures suggest them for the same reason. I am not a big gun collector but I use 2 Remington's and A&H inline and a whole slew of side hammers - I load and shoot sabots - I never use a short starter - thumb pressure and then steady pressure on a ram rod - thats it.

If you want to shoot PB's and they work for you - continue - confidence is huge in successful hunting, but there are sabots out there that will go down your gun in a manner that does not require standing or pounding on the ram rod.

The 300 grain XTP is a .452 bullet - there are great .451's out there and there are thinner sabots than you probablably were supplied especially if they were Hornady sabots.

Continued good luck in your shooting...

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You mean the flyers opened your group up to 8", or that you averaged an 8" group, but there were some fliers that went outside of 8"?? In either case, your rifle should shoot a lot better than that a 70 yards!

TC makes Bore Butter! So they try to sell it using this seasoning scam. Seasoning is for frying pans-not gun barrels!! (Check this out. http://www.americanlongrifles.com/american-longrifles-BBS-frame.htm
Black Powder Shooting, "'Seasoning' and cleaning questions")

Bore Butteris bad stuff for guns! Keep it out of your barrel. The only use I see for the stuff is for lubing patches for round-ball shooting, plus,if you take the plastic wads off of your Power Belts and put a dab of this grease on the post and reassemble them, ithelps ensure that the wad comes off after the bullet exits the muzzle. The only accuracy problems I've had with Power Belts was due to the wadstaying on too long. The bullets themselves are precision-swaged and very concentric. With the right charge, they are quite accurate, provided they shuck that plastic wad on schedule!
I've actually found some of these wads sticking in the 100-yard target, and this makes them shoot erratically.

Get some loose 777 in FFg size, and try to develop an accurate load. You may find that you'll have to use loose powder in order to be able to use the right amount to get accuracy. I use loose powder. Not as convenient as pellets, but muzzleloading is not supposed to be as easy as using a breech-loader!

Both the .45 and .50 cal. groups shown here were shot with loose powder, measured in avolume measure.

Good luck!

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can i offer something here on bore butter. i bought my 2 tc hawkins in 1972 ..50cal flintlock. i have used bore butter from that time to now and never had patch come out brown with rust, never. i dont even wash barrel out with soapy water. i take#13 bore cleaner, you wont believe this but i still have bottles from 1972 , ha and i used them today to clean. then i take patch with bore butter on and in it goes. i have bore light and my bore is real nice.i have used 370 gr. MAXI-BALLS with bore butter on from 1972 to now. no problems. i cant understand why so many are having problems with bore butter.i hunt hard in all kinds of weather, going out tommorrow for a buck. i really baffles me why so much trouble with bore butter. i am not a cleaner of gun expert also. at end of season ,iuse # 13,dry it and in goes bore butter heavy, trust me, i have no rust and never did. take care.

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sproulman

Thank you for your statements - I have been using the product for 6 years now and have never had a problem. But I do not use it in the typical manner.

I agree with everyone that says it is not a "rust preventor" and i agree to much in the barrel is not good and I agree to much in the barrel will effect accuracy.

The point with BB is the it dramatically reduces fouling - allows more shots between swabbing. It is so effective we are using it in the chokes of a trap shotguns to reduce plastic fouling. In my ML's I do not experiance the t7 crud ring and I have never had to use a bore bronze brush to get any kind of fouling out - water, hot water that is it.

The incorrect use by some people has given BB an ill-deserved reputation. IMO

another soap-box - sorry...



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I also have a new Omega, it has cut not button rifleing so it may need some breaking in.Since sabots don't break them in as far as I can tell I used the old way I used to use with the Hawken rifles I built. I case you are not familer with it you take a patch and round ball load with 60 or 70 gr and rub the patch with some lube lightly and then rub polishing compound into it. or you can lap your barrel. A word of caution dont over do it 50 rounds shoud be plenty.There could be little burrs and sharp edges on the cornors of the rifleing.