Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

hey guys I really neeed help. In the last 2 days I have shot about 45 rounds through my brand new 50cal laminated thumbhole stock sst. I can not get this thing to group worth a darn at 50 yards. I use a wet patch and dry patch between every shot. my setup is winchester primers, BlackMag3 90-100 gr I have tried both with no change and I'm shooting 250gr shockwaves. I have also tried 245 gr powerbelts. Sometimes I hit dead nuts where I'm aiming and other times I'm 6 inches away. Here is an example from today. 1st shot is dead nuts. 2nd shot is 6 inches to the right. 3rd shot is 6 inches to the left. 4th and 5th shot touch the 1st shot. 6th shot is 5 inches high to the right. 7th shot is 2 inches to the left. 8th shot is2 inches high andto the right. 9th shot is 5 inches high and to the right. Now if your able to follow all that, why is it I can't shot 3 shoots in a row that will all touch or at least be close. I get one right on, then the next 2 will be here and there with no rhyme or reason. I shot off of a solid table, using a gun vise. I squeeze the trigger very slow and really concentrate. at this point my smooth bore shotgun groups more consistently at 75 yards, than this does at 50 I'm hoping to hunt with my muzzleloader this year but at this point I don't feel good about the accuracy.
please help I'm now lost.

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed
 

The first thing I would do is check my stock screws and make sure they are tight. Same with the sights (or scope mount and ring screws if you are using a scope). If the gun is new, I would put at least 20 .50 lead conicals through it, without cleaning between shots, to sort of lap in the barrel. Also, your gun just might not like the powder/bullet combination. Try two Pyrodex pellets with the 250 grain Shockwave.

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed
 

changing powder can really make a difference in accuracy? I thought about that yesterday but wasn't sure

I do use a good niklon scope and everything is tight

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed
 

I had semi the same problem with sighting in my CVA. Followed the advise of some of the guys on here and it started shooting dead on. One of the things i did is use a wet patch wrapped around a bore brush then followed with a dry patch or two. I got consistant groupings. Maybe it will help.

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed
 

I'm also a new Omega owner, and it took me about 300 shots to find the right combo that gives me tight groups (I'm using 300 gr Shockwaves and 110 gr 777 powder).

I had the same problem you describe. I would get two dead on and third way off. I experimented with several different bullets, different sabots, and tried a couple propellents in various forms. I also learned to be very meticulous with cleaning between shots and making sure each shot left a barrel that was in the same condition as the previous shot.

My advice would be to try 777 and AP in various measures, to buy around 15 bullets from every manufacturer you can afford, use a couple different sabots, make sure your in-between shot routine is standardized, and above all, keep shooting. You will eventually find what works for you. Good luck :)

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed
 

The first thing I would do is take some J-B Bore Paste and scrub the barrel using a small piece of Scotch Brite Scrub Pad, a patch wormand the paste. I would give it about 50 strokes. Then clean it real good. After that I would shoot a box of maxiball out of it. That should make sure that the barrel is nice and smooth.

Since you're sure the scope is attached right, and the scope is not defective, after the cleaning I would try it again on the range. You might also want to pick up a pound of Pyrodex RS. When all else fails go to what they test the rifles with at the factory. When I talked to a tech at Thompson Center, he said that Pyrodex is still one of the best powders out there for shooting. Maybe he has stock in the stuff. I get better results with Goex.

As for swabbing, get a bore brush and a damp/wet patch for the first swab down the barrel. if that comes up filthy then run a second one down. Then be sure to run a couple dry patches after that before you reload. Good luck. It sounds like your on the right track. It might be be the ghost of the new rifle not wanting to leave yet....

Good luck.

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed
 

a buddie of mine had the same problem with his omega won't groupe to save it life.
I told him to try some Hornady xtp (not the mag) gun started to get some good groups,I also gave him 10 rounds of the buffalo 375 grain SSB boattail bullet sabot,gun shot clover leaf groups at the 50 yard target.
I think his load was using real black powder around 85 grains of 3f goex.

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed
 

Dang!!!! 300 shots!!??!! I put 15 rounds through my new 50 cal stainless camo stock Omega to sight it in back in June then hurt my shoulder (rotator cuff/surgery/out for 16 weeks). 1st day in the woods for 20 minutes and bang - dead deer. 250 Gr. Saboted Hornady SST (same thing as a shockwave), Winchester 209 and 3 777 50 grainers. I hunted with 4 others that got new T/C Omegas (thumbholes, complete laminates, camo and plastic) and every single one of them was sighted in in 15 shots or less. We shot everything from pyrodex or 777 and some liked SST's or shockwaves or powerbelts. Shot the M/L again this past weekend. 3 295 Gr powerbelts almost touching at 50 yards. My Omega is deadly accurate. Sorry to hear about your problems..

PS those Hornady XTP's were a real Bitc# to load in my Omega...

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed
 

I'm really anal :) Plus I bought all that ammo so I had to shoot it all off. Just because it wasn't working for me doesn't mean I was going to throw it all away :D

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

Sabre-Try Pyro or 777 I did not have any luck at all with my Omega using BM3 and bullets less than 300gr.

Charlie

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

Try some Pyro RS powder at around 120 G and work Your way up. Try the Hornady SST,s in the 250 G with black sabots. Worked great for Me. It did not take more than 20 to 30 rounds to perfect this load. Sight a little high at 100 and You will be suprised how far and flat that BP gun will shoot. Good luck and do not give up. I think You will really like that gun when You get it figured out.

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

thank you for the help guys I'm going to pick up some 777 today and some 300gr shockwaves. I'll keep you guys informed. I should have sighted this in a long time ago, but In Michigan our summers are 85-90 degrees and our hunting season is 5-30.

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

I went through much the same thing. Here's what I learned:
[ul][*]My SS/Laminated Omega does not like powerbelts, regardless of bullet weight or amount of powder or number of pellets[*]Hornady SST's shoot decent, but are a b*%^h to load[*]My gun shoots saboted 300 grn bullets much better than 250's[*]APP Shockey's gold shoots well and cleans easy[*]Shockwaves load easier than Hornadys[*]Remington Kleanbore primers did nothing to improve the crud ring when I used 777 pellets
[/ul] I started working on loads beginning with the 300 grain shockwaves and 110 grns of APP and got some decent groups. I need to try some different volumes of powder and see how that goes. I tried to do this last saturday, but the wind kicked up and it started raining before I could do much else. I would say to give the 300 grn shockwaves a try, as well as the APP shockey's gold. You can buy both at most any Gander Mountain if you have one nearby.

Hope this helps
Bill

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

Different gun, similair problem. My new knight disc was almost doing the same thing, at this point and time I'm convinced (right or wrong) that I somehow got a bad jug of powder, the new jug does all the things it's suppose to, no crud ring, less fowling etc. Just something else to look at, ain't it great

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

[quote]ORIGINAL: Treetopflyer

I went through much the same thing. Here's what I learned:
[ul][*]My SS/Laminated Omega does not like powerbelts, regardless of bullet weight or amount of powder or number of pellets[*]Hornady SST's shoot decent, but are a b*%^h to load[*]My gun shoots saboted 300 grn bullets much better than 250's[*]APP Shockey's gold shoots well and cleans easy[*]Shockwaves load easier than Hornadys[*]Remington Kleanbore primers did nothing to improve the crud ring when I used 777 pellets [/ul]
I found with my Omega, much the same as treetopflyer.
However I did notice that I was having a hard time aligning my eye to the scope consistently. My remedy to the situation was a cheek pad 1/2 inch. I now get much more consistent eye alignment.

Bullets....240 - 250 gr anything...didn't group well
300 sst's same as treetop's
Best most accurate was PR's 340 gr Dead Center's. Say what you like about the company, but those bullets fly like a charm. Load was 2 T7 50grpellets w/ a winchester 209's. I think Cabellas has them as well.

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RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH A 50CAL. KNIGHT
AMERICAN. IT WILL NOT; AND I SAID "WILL NOT" PUT
TWO OR EVEN THREE BULLETS IN THE SAME PLACE.
I'VE USED EVERY POWDER KNOWN TO MODERN MAN.
I'VE USED EVERY BULLET ON, OR I MIGHT ADD OFF,
THE MARKET. TOOK ML TO LOCAL GUNSMITH, HAD STOCK
CHECKED FOR PROPER ALLIGNMENT...OK....HAD BARREL
CHECKED....OK....HAD SCOPE & MOUNTS CHECKED....
OK.....IT JUST WILL NOT SHOOT A DECENT GROUP.
SO I PUT IT IN THE GUN CASE & BOUGHT A NEW
FRONTIER BEARTOOTH MAG. IN 45 CAL. YES I KNOW
I'VE HEARD ALL THE NEGATIVE'S ABOUT THESE CVA'S
BUT IT TOOK NO TIME AT ALL TO SIGHT-IN IT LOADS
LIKE A DREAM WITH POWERBELT 225 AERO-TIP BULLETS
AND SO FAR IT HAS PUT TWO DOES AND ONE 175LB
5-POINT IN MY FREEZER. JUST MY OPNION BUT I
TRULLY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME ML THAT
JUST DONT SHOOT ANYTHING WELL. HOPE YOU HAVE
BETTER LUCK THAN I DID.

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

Just bought my omega about a year ago but it was quick and easy to sight in and find an accurate load for I figured TC sent the 240 gr. mag sabots with the rifle for a reason so I bought a package of them and used two 50 grain pyrodex pellets along with some CCI 209M primers I had on hand, went to the range and impresed the heck out of myself. the omega will shoot 1 to1-1/4 inch 100yd. groups till you get tired of pulling the trigger (or till your shoulder gives out) I havent yet felt the need to do a lot of other load testing but will, if for nothing else for peace of mind and what if?

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

Aquatech, I've had the exact same problems with My Knight I purchased several years ago. I have tried EVERYTHING powder and bullet wise and can't get it to shoot for anything. Even went so far as to try two different scopes and 2 different mountings. Same results. Talked to the Knight reps at the Shot Show last year and they told me to send the rifle back to be worked on. Haven't done so yet and thinkI'll just buy an Omega.

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

I've got an SS/laminate Omega with a Elite 3-9x40 bore sighted it went out an shot it at 50yds with 2pellets of 777 and 250grain powerbelts 1st shot just below bull, backed target out to 100yds an sighted in with powerbelts. Tried both powerbelts an hornady sst 250grain and was cutting holes, hornady had a little better grouping but they do get hard to load, easy fix with a spit patch. I mark my ram rod for 2 or 3 pellets just to make sure bullet is seated tight.

RE: Omega Owner Confused and disappointed please help
 

like others said check your base mounts and the scope mounts, use loctite and tighten them good ,as far as the way your gun shoots if its not the mounts or the scope its the bullet set or a sabot problem.when i got my new omega it only took 3 shots to bullseye it at 50 yards,that was using a scope ,gun vise ,150 gr.of 777 and a 451. 230 xtp/hp and mmp mag black sabot. after that i shot a bunch of different lead bullets trying to get it where it would load easy,a waste of time. i just keep a pot holder or a heavy rag to help push the bullet all the way down ,i think thats most peoples problem is that they don't set the bullet the same every time and that will give you all kinds of problems. hope you get her set.