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Innaccurate Muzzleloader...PLEASE HELP

Old 10-12-2005 | 06:01 PM
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Hey,
I have a Knight Disc Original. I have been out shooting it and I shoot the pyrodex pellets and was shooting a 150 grain load, but it seemed innaccurate, so I moved the load down to 100 gains. Do you think this was an alright move? The FURTHEST shot I will ever take, or be able to take where I'm hunting is that. They other thing I was wondering was how often I should clean the barrel when sighting it in. I was shooting 5 times, but by the 4th and ESPECIALLY 5th shot, it became very inaccurate. I think I will start cleaning every 3 shots... Any thoughts?

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Old 10-12-2005 | 06:02 PM
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Oops, error....The furthest shot I will be able to take is 150 yards.
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Old 10-12-2005 | 06:18 PM
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You did not mention how it shot with 100g of pellets, projectile ect. Give us some more info and I'm sure we can help.
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Old 10-12-2005 | 06:23 PM
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When I,m sighting in I wipe the barrel after every shot. And I don't like pelets I like the powder. The reason for this is that every gun is different in what it likes for a load and the difference in accuracy in just 5-10 grans can be a bunch. One of my guns may use 85 another will use 110. And if I try to use 100 its no good. So you see what I mean. I try to keep my shots within 100 yards and 80 grains of powder has worked just fine for me.Also when you get your gun real close not only clean it between each shot but let it cool all the way down. You will see a real difference in a shot from a hot barrel and a cold one and when you are deer hunting you are shooting a cold barrel.I hope this was some help Good Luck Mike
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Old 10-12-2005 | 06:44 PM
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Did you mention what bullet you are using? There are lots of bullets thatgenerally don't shoot well with magnum charges. The Powerbelt is one of them. You might go back through the archives of this website - there is a lot of information on loads and loading techniques that could help you. Particularly ones by Cayugad or Triple 7. Good luck. Roskoe
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Old 10-12-2005 | 06:55 PM
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Hey,
I have a Knight Disc Original. I have been out shooting it and I shoot the pyrodex pellets and was shooting a 150 grain load, but it seemed innaccurate, so I moved the load down to 100 gains. Do you think this was an alright move? The FURTHEST shot I will ever take, or be able to take where I'm hunting is that. They other thing I was wondering was how often I should clean the barrel when sighting it in. I was shooting 5 times, but by the 4th and ESPECIALLY 5th shot, it became very inaccurate. I think I will start cleaning every 3 shots... Any thoughts?

Thanks!
Joey
The Knight Disc is a great rifle. Your moving down from 150 grains to 100 grains was a good move. Have you tried any of the Barnes 250 grain Expanders? You might also want to try some of the 240 & 300 grain XTP's. They shoot well out of my Knight Disc.

I shoot loose powder. I shoot normally 100-110 grains of 2f Goex and get real good accuracy. I am also shoot some larger heavy projectiles and the rifle seems to like the heavy stuff a lot.

I think a lot of your inaccuracy is because you are not swabbing the barrel free of fowling between each shot. I use a solution of 91% isopropyl alcohol and car windshield washer fluid mixed 50/50. There are other things out thereto swab with also. I run a damp patch is short strokes working from the muzzle to the breech. Then I turn it over and swab the barrel again. I then run two dry patches after the damp patch to make sure the barrel is good and dry before I load the next shot. Remember, swabbing the barrel is much different then cleaning the barrel. I think some people get that confused. Swabbing is just removing the fowling from the previous shot. You do not have to break the rifle down and clean it until the end of the day. (or if you want to test other projectiles I will sometimes break the rifle down for a better cleaning).

To get the best accuracy of your rifle you want to keep each shot as consistant as the one before. That is the reason you swab the barrel between shots.. So each shot is like the other...
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Old 10-12-2005 | 07:01 PM
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I was having trouble with a disc I just purchased. I posted it and got a little imput. If you call knight they will tell you to try the 45 cal bullets the best bullet right now (I'm not done trying everything yet) is cheap shots by TC. They clover leaf at 50 and that's a dead critter a long way off. I was using 90 grain of pyrodex RS. Hope it helps
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Old 10-12-2005 | 07:05 PM
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Thanks for all the fast help guys! I have been shooting the 300 grain XTP 45 cal. I have heard from a lot of guys that this is the load to shoot in this particular gun. So I have stuck to that. I know a guy who has shot numerous deer at 150 - 200 yards with this. He uses 150 grains though. I'm just not comfortable shooting that far yet with this gun. I am a newbie. After I switched to the 100 grains, it seemed to have made a bit of an accuracy difference, they grouped better. And another thing, is it really neccessary to shoot a couple primer caps before your gun before shooting it? Do you do this just before you take it out to the range or hunting each time after it's been cleaned....or between each new load??

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Old 10-12-2005 | 07:15 PM
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Before you even shoot the 209 primers off, be sure and swab all the oil out of the barrel that was in there for storage. I put a solution patch on the ramrod and swab the barrel with a damp patch. I then do a second damp patch sometimes even. After that I run two dry patches through the barrel to make sure the barrel is clean, dry, and oil free. While the dry patch is in the breech area, I like to pop a 209 primer. The reason you shoot a couple of primers off before you start your range session is to clean out the breech plug of any oil, dirt, or crud that might have collected in there. Shooting off two or three primers will also put a slight fowling in the breech. Nothing you need worry about.
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Old 10-12-2005 | 08:47 PM
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Thanks for all the fast help guys! I have been shooting the 300 grain XTP 45 cal. I have heard from a lot of guys that this is the load to shoot in this particular gun. So I have stuck to that. I know a guy who has shot numerous deer at 150 - 200 yards with this. He uses 150 grains though. I'm just not comfortable shooting that far yet with this gun. I am a newbie. After I switched to the 100 grains, it seemed to have made a bit of an accuracy difference, they grouped better. And another thing, is it really neccessary to shoot a couple primer caps before your gun before shooting it? Do you do this just before you take it out to the range or hunting each time after it's been cleaned....or between each new load??

Thanks a lot!
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Just swab more often with a small spray bottle filled with Windex& shoot a 20-pk of full-fledged conicals thru it. Sounds like it's not quite broke-in yet. Some barrels take a little longer than others. The conicals will help smooth-out any burrs in the bore. Buy a box of 30-grain pellets too. You may eventually find your tightest loads are with any combination of 110, 120 or 130 grains. Another bullet to try with that rifle is the T/C Shockwave for a little better coefficiency than the XTPs beyond 125 yards.
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